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Why should I not hate God?

Travis

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If I were to accept that everything in The Bible is true why should I not hate the abusive, tyrannical, sociopathic, narcissistic psychopath the God portrayed within clearly is? Why should I not do everything in my power to help anyone or anything that would oppose that brutal, monstrous, blood thirsty Sky Daddy?


Anyone?
 
Yeah, Dinwar's got it, but your post, Travis, says you've got it, too. :)

If god were real, there'd be a number of reasons to despise it, loathe it, outright hate it.

Since it's not, you can't hate god any more than you can hate any other fictional character. Sure, you can hate Twilight and Bella and Edward and Jacob, but none of them are real, so what you're really hating (probably) is the hype and stupidity of the series. ;)

Do agree, though: god is a reprehensible character. Few villains in fiction compare to the sheer evil of Teh Lawd.
 
If I were to accept that everything in The Bible is true why should I not hate the abusive, tyrannical, sociopathic, narcissistic psychopath the God portrayed within clearly is?

You forgot 'genocidal.'

Steve S
 
If I were to accept that everything in The Bible is true why should I not hate the abusive, tyrannical, sociopathic, narcissistic psychopath the God portrayed within clearly is? Why should I not do everything in my power to help anyone or anything that would oppose that brutal, monstrous, blood thirsty Sky Daddy?


Anyone?

If *everything* in the bible was true, than god would - by definition- be good. It would not be right to dislike genocide per se. Genocide can be an okay thing, if god happens to agree with it.
 
If I were to accept that everything in The Bible is true why should I not hate the abusive, tyrannical, sociopathic, narcissistic psychopath the God portrayed within clearly is?


Because hate leads to the dark side of the Force. :cool:
 
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If I were to accept that everything in The Bible is true why should I not hate the abusive, tyrannical, sociopathic, narcissistic psychopath the God portrayed within clearly is? Why should I not do everything in my power to help anyone or anything that would oppose that brutal, monstrous, blood thirsty Sky Daddy?


Anyone?

Because you'd spend an eternity in torment after you die for opposing Him.

In His infinite wisdom God blessed you with the free will to choose. Submit and love God in this life and enjoy paradise, or don't and suffer Hellish damnation.

In other words, I'dd add "strongarming, blackmailing, egoistic, dictatorial torturer" to your description of God.
 
There are realer things than god in this world which can be categorized as abusive, tyrannical, sociopathic, narcistic sociopaths - and God traditionally has been but a fiction made reality by his "representatives" here on Earth. Whether we choose to focus on the mythological embodiment-construct of a former world conquering engine, or look at the mirrored elements of this being in our own era - what it comes down to is human nature.

Our world is inevitably guided by the darkest of our characteristics, for they are most efficient at getting ◊◊◊◊ done; power corrupts, they say - does it not hold that a hypothetical ALL powerful being, such as "God" would be therefore the most corrupt entity in existence? Despite modern day filtering of religion to weed out this contradiction, God has traditionally been understood as the being which created evil as well as good - Satan was just one creation of God's with a perhaps too large ego, the deranged side of his personality you might say; and plagues destroying infant and elderly alike were attributed to an infraction against his desires.

It is said that we are the reflection of our creator; if God were a nice guy, caring, who never harmed; would our survival be based around the destruction of other entities? Would we be an infinitely replicating species on a finite plane?

Does it not make more sense that we live in a world corrupt, because this corruption is inherent in the first principle which started the whole thing? Your call whether or not you choose to hate it, but the characteristics of God are those of the world, and all its creatures - if not individually, at least collectively. This impulsively destructive trait, although perhaps evil to the organism which values its own will and life, is how evolution and progress are ultimately brought about.
 
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If I were to accept that everything in The Bible is true why should I not hate the abusive, tyrannical, sociopathic, narcissistic psychopath the God portrayed within clearly is? Why should I not do everything in my power to help anyone or anything that would oppose that brutal, monstrous, blood thirsty Sky Daddy?


Anyone?

IFI believed in such a god OR got absolute proof it existed I would have to make every reasonable effort to hunt it down and kill it.
 
Can I take it from the frequent desires to kill/usurp God (if again, we knew the Bible was actual truth), that anyone here saying this would be a Satanist? After all, there's little chance of a humble human usurping God.

Would you engage in pragmatic politics--aiding the Devil in order to get rid of the worse scourge that is God? Again, we're assuming the Bible is truth, so that seems the only viable entity capable of usurping God.

To answer my own question, I'd definitely do this. Best-case scenario, Devil wins and it still isn't as bad as God in charge. Worst-case, Devil loses and God assigns you to...the Devil's realm, where I'd at least HOPE the Devil would lighten up on the fire to give me props and maybe a sweet position in his government for supporting him in life.
 
If Yahweh was real, then the best course of action would be to either work towards living forever in some sort of transcendental collective consciousness, find a way to surpass and usurp it, or intentionally cause a total planetary extinction to deny it the pleasure of watching life slowly suffer.
 
There are realer things than god in this world which can be categorized as abusive, tyrannical, sociopathic, narcistic sociopaths - and God traditionally has been but a fiction made reality by his "representatives" here on Earth. Whether we choose to focus on the mythological embodiment-construct of a former world conquering engine, or look at the mirrored elements of this being in our own era - what it comes down to is human nature.

Our world is inevitably guided by the darkest of our characteristics, for they are most efficient at getting ◊◊◊◊ done; power corrupts, they say - does it not hold that a hypothetical ALL powerful being, such as "God" would be therefore the most corrupt entity in existence? Despite modern day filtering of religion to weed out this contradiction, God has traditionally been understood as the being which created evil as well as good - Satan was just one creation of God's with a perhaps too large ego, the deranged side of his personality you might say; and plagues destroying infant and elderly alike were attributed to an infraction against his desires.

It is said that we are the reflection of our creator; if God were a nice guy, caring, who never harmed; would our survival be based around the destruction of other entities? Would we be an infinitely replicating species on a finite plane?

Does it not make more sense that we live in a world corrupt, because this corruption is inherent in the first principle which started the whole thing? Your call whether or not you choose to hate it, but the characteristics of God are those of the world, and all its creatures - if not individually, at least collectively. This impulsively destructive trait, although perhaps evil to the organism which values its own will and life, is how evolution and progress are ultimately brought about.


Food for thought.

Also, welcome to the forums.
 
If Yahweh was real, then the best course of action would be to either work towards living forever in some sort of transcendental collective consciousness, find a way to surpass and usurp it, or intentionally cause a total planetary extinction to deny it the pleasure of watching life slowly suffer.

I think I'd attempt to reason and argue with this god, and hopefully get him to not only see the error of his emotional and petty deeds, but convince him to become a better god who valued true altruism, free of any special rules or need to punish, to realize a universe which could be better than the one the Judeo/Christian religion espouses. None of this nonsense about sin, none of this nonsense about daring to disrespect the ego of this god, in essence, I'd hope god would be more like the Buddha I guess,...

And if this god were to smite me for this, at least I tried.
If there was a snowball's chance in hell, at that point I'd join with anything offering a better solution.
 
Would you engage in pragmatic politics--aiding the Devil in order to get rid of the worse scourge that is God? Again, we're assuming the Bible is truth, so that seems the only viable entity capable of usurping God.

To answer my own question, I'd definitely do this. Best-case scenario, Devil wins and it still isn't as bad as God in charge. Worst-case, Devil loses and God assigns you to...the Devil's realm, where I'd at least HOPE the Devil would lighten up on the fire to give me props and maybe a sweet position in his government for supporting him in life.

Satan cannot usurp God. That was the hubristic notion that led to his fall. The creation can never surpass the Creator.

I've read every bitter, hate-filled post up to this point, and I say this to you all:

God loves you.

He loves His children so much that He Himself consented to take form on Earth, live as a mortal man, and die an entirely UNdeserved death to heal the breach that we fallen humans created by our own disobedience. He stands ready to welcome each of you back into His family even as I type this.

It's up to you to put aside hate, and pride, and rebellion and accept that freely offered Gift.

If any of you wind up in Hell, it will be entirely by your choice. Even Satan will have to admit his own guilt at the Final Day, and proclaim the Judgement of God to be Righteous and True.
 
Satan cannot usurp God. That was the hubristic notion that led to his fall. The creation can never surpass the Creator.

I've read every bitter, hate-filled post up to this point, and I say this to you all:

God loves you.

God doesn't exist.

He loves His children so much that He Himself consented to take form on Earth, live as a mortal man, and die an entirely UNdeserved death to heal the breach that we fallen humans created by our own disobedience. He stands ready to welcome each of you back into His family even as I type this.

And I did what to you, that you would tell me such blatant lies and try to inspire such guilt?

I once was a christian, beaten and abused by my christian husband for 13 years. God approved. He must have. The man never stopped tormenting me until I divorced his sorry, drunk, drugged, lying, cheating, abusive Christian ass.

I have examined this idea called god, and find it so riddled with holes that it's all hole and no paper.

It's up to you to put aside hate, and pride, and rebellion and accept that freely offered Gift.

Oh, you mean the gift of bleeding knees and raw cheeks gotten from praying for the next blow not to fall...and then picking myself up off the floor from the blow that came anyway? You mean that gift? Dude, Charles Manson gives better presents, trust me.

If any of you wind up in Hell, it will be entirely by your choice. Even Satan will have to admit his own guilt at the Final Day, and proclaim the Judgement of God to be Righteous and True.

Heh, you're funny. Tell us another meaningless fairy tale, why don't you?

:D
 
He loves His children so much that He Himself consented to take form on Earth, live as a mortal man, and die an entirely UNdeserved unnecessary, pointless, meaningless, unrequested, not required, and useless death to heal the breach that we fallen humans created by our own disobedience. He stands ready to welcome each of you back into His family even as I type this.



Even with the above correction the statement is still RUBBISH.


Your god is either a moron or a sadist to have not thought of a better idea to salvage mankind from a sin they did not commit than to commit adultery and incest and pedophilia with his married mother so as to torture and kill himself as a human sacrifice for himself to appease himself…..and FAIL ABYSMALLY and having to require a MULLIGAN to do the whole thing all over again. And all this of course is a result of having failed already numerous times. One of these ARRANT FAILURES resulted in him genociding the entire human race except for a DRUNK and his family.
 
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He loves His children so much that He Himself consented to take form on Earth, live as a mortal man, and die an entirely UNdeserved death to heal the breach that we fallen humans created by our own disobedience. . .

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Just how does that work exactly?

How does unjustly executing God in human form, somehow cause this God to consider the original sin (ie: Being able to imagine what "sin" is) forgiven?

Seems to me His priorities are all out of whack.
 

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