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why legallizing pot won't work

I don't see how the article in the link can lead to the conclusion that legalizing pot won't work. It presents no good reason why pot SHOULD be illegal. And as for the complaints of the pot consumers in the article,their problem comes from the fact that they have only one source from which to get their marijuana. If it were legalized then it is almost a given that the free market would result in a variety of growers/blends/whatever else goes into the qulity of ones pot, and they would have a much beter chance of finding something that they DO like, just as people can find varieties of beer, cigarrettes or whatever else they like today.
 
Tony said:


Illegal tabacco market?..

Interesting...
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There is a big illegal tobacco market in Australia (aka 'Chop-chop'), but it's for tax reasons. That's what happens when you tax the living Christ out of a product. I'm surprised that there isn't an illegal alcohol market as well. I assume the reason for this is that it's simple to brew your own (I wouldn't know where to get a tobacco seed if my cags depended on it).
 
Mr Manifesto said:


There is a big illegal tobacco market in Australia (aka 'Chop-chop'), but it's for tax reasons. That's what happens when you tax the living Christ out of a product. I'm surprised that there isn't an illegal alcohol market as well. I assume the reason for this is that it's simple to brew your own (I wouldn't know where to get a tobacco seed if my cags depended on it).
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In addition to the "chop-chop" (loose tobacco) market, there's also a large market for illegally imported cigarettes. Again, as no tax is being paid on these, tobacconists sell them for a dollar or two less per pack than legal cigarettes and are making a much greater (and off the books) profit per pack than they do from the legal product.

The Australian Taxation Office estimates that at least $450 million per year of taxation revenue is lost as a result of the illegal tobacco market (I've seen some estimates that put the figure closer to $600 million). IIRC, the penalties for selling illegal tobacco are greater than the penalties for selling dope.
 
There's no tax revenue in legal marijuana, it's too easy to grow. If the gov't taxed tomatoes at $5 a pop you would see gardens springing up everywhere. Same w/ pot, only it's even easier to grow than tomatoes.
 
Nie Trink Wasser said:


troll.

Each time you perfrom like this in my threads, I want it to be noticed by the forum as a demonstration of hypocrisy perpetuated by many people here.

you are a troll. not me.
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You name me a troll.
Your own opinion never stated,
Provocation only.

N T just quotes others.
Then he can avoid debate!
Someone else said it.
 
I don't understand why people are putting themselves at risk of being put in a prison in order to use marijuana.

I've had plenty of friends who are nice people who could easily stay clear of jail cells if they just didn't smoke pot.

These people are nuts.
 
Nie Trink Wasser said:
there can never be a government regulated form of pot that will satisfy anyone. It'll never be potent enough, just as moonshine has much more alcohol in it, it sure isnt legal.
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I take it you haven't visited Amsterdam recently?
Nie Trink Wasser said:
just think about how cool it would be, DUDE, to have extremely potent and legal marijuana out there for people to crash cars on ! Im sure the gov will support that !
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Strawman. Or are you also arguing for a ban on alcohol? Just as it is illegal to drink and drive, so in the Netherlands it is illegal to get stoned and drive.
 
JAR said:
I don't understand why people are putting themselves at risk of being put in a prison in order to use marijuana.

I've had plenty of friends who are nice people who could easily stay clear of jail cells if they just didn't smoke pot.

These people are nuts.
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I go with Thoreau who, I'm told, said that people have the right to disobey unjust laws.
 
Just because the government can't grow good stuff, it doesn't mean that legally allowing people to grow their own won't work.

I have not sampled the government's bud, but I have had some very good homegrown.
 
I don't understand why people are putting themselves at risk of being put in a prison in order to use marijuana.

I've had plenty of friends who are nice people who could easily stay clear of jail cells if they just didn't smoke pot.

These people are nuts.
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Not a lot of states are going to put you in jail for possession. For example, here in New York, it's a fine of a few hundred dollars. If I want to smoke pot occassionally, it's really not a big risk, even if I didn't have people I could trust.
People are hardly "nuts" for committing a victimless "crime" to have some fun. It's a relatively safe substance that doesn't mess you up as much as alcohol. So why is it illegal?

P.S. Phish sucks, and the Grateful Dead aren't much better ;) Pink Floyd, on the other hand...
 
Nasarius said:
It's a relatively safe substance that doesn't mess you up as much as alcohol. So why is it illegal?
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Because the rich and powerful tobacco lobby, who pay millions into the campaign chests of politicians, lobbied for criminalisation to remove hemp as a competition to their tobacco. They even sponsored a really lousy 1920s movie called "Reefer Madness", which lied about the effects of marijuana as making users psychotic.
 
Kimpatsu said:

Because the rich and powerful tobacco lobby, who pay millions into the campaign chests of politicians, lobbied for criminalisation to remove hemp as a competition to their tobacco. They even sponsored a really lousy 1920s movie called "Reefer Madness", which lied about the effects of marijuana as making users psychotic.
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Actually, I slept with a coloured person (sic), raped women and murdered my best friend within moments of smoking a single marijuana joint.

BTW- did anyone see that episode of Hawaii 5-O where Steve and Danno are investigating an LSD ring, and they go through a mental hospital where they pity the poor young people who became permanently deranged after some bad acid, man? That was one funny episode.
 
Mr Manifesto said:
Actually, I slept with a coloured person (sic), raped women and murdered my best friend within moments of smoking a single marijuana joint.
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I did that after watching the last New Labour party political broadcast...
 
Mr Manifesto said:


You mean like the Boston Tea Party?
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Sorry to confuse you, I should have known thinking at an eighth grade level was above your head.
 
Tony said:
Sorry to confuse you, I should have known thinking at an eighth grade level was above your head.
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Nice ad hominem, but note that your argument must then be with Thoreau, whom MM was only quoting...
 
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