again DA, the devils advocate, is tiring. you have the contact list of those who worked the site at Shanksville, please take your questions to them. (if you dont know who did, Gravy's website in his sig has the list)
seriously, your questions are nothing more than posturing on your part. and you are not "playing devils advocate". its apparent by your questions that you are not doing so.
guys let this thread die. he can contact those who worked on the area after the crash via Grayv's website. If he wants to play "devils advocate" let him play it with those who were there that day.
I really do not think you're being honest.
Read post 321.
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So no one can tell if the engine is facing up or down? I mean, yeah. It is easy laugh and pawn stuff off when you cannot answer a question. But it becomes obvious that the only reason you would do so was to avoid the question.
And how many times are people going to talk about the smoke plume? I already said that I found the brightness/contrast a reasonable explanation. And yet people keep beating that dead horse. If people want to keep bringing it up, then show an unedited picture of a plane crashing into the ground that does not result in black smoke. Note how long your search will take.
No more edited blue hued pictures, and no more fires that are being put out or are smoldering.
Be honest if you're going to do it. I see no point in the smoke plume thing, but if you want to harp on something, then do it right at least."
You can see two things in that post. I was still
asking if anyone could tell if the engine part was upside down or not.
Then, I went over again that I agreed that the plume of smoke color could have been a brightness/contrast issue with the camera. And that was it as far as I was concerned. But people kept bringing it up. So I said if people were going to continue to challenge on the issue that I had already let go, then stop with the edited pictures to 'prove' the dead horse argument.
Which you will note no plane impact with the ground photo was ever shown.
So to imply I am posturing is not honest, nor is saying I am not following my names sake. I was asking about an issue. After a few seemed to agree that the part was upside down, I started seeking opinions on how it got that way. Then that is when the thread completely changed. People sought motive for questions rather than simply discussing possibilities.
Then gravy starts in with his BS that he always does about demanding an answer to his 'do you believe planes crashed blah blah blah.'
Completely irrelavant. The issue was a plane part and theory on how it got into a position. That got people defensive and aggressive like it always does here. That is where the name sake comes in. Theory. Not plane crashes, not this side or that side....just idea's on why something is how it is.
And you'll also note I never once gave an opinion why it was upside down.
Idea's and theories are good. It shows you perspectives you may have never seen from otherwise, and that is why I like doing it.
So step away from a side and be objective, and I think you'll see things differently.
So, just follow the line without thinking of a motive or agenda.
DA: "How do you think the engine part get upside down?"
XX:" Well, I'm not sure, but it could have been because the plane hit at an angle on the upper cockpit which would have caused the wings to sag forward and making the engine break into the ground flat, and either colliding with debris or the resulting explosion forced it around pointing upward."
Even if it is unrealistic, it still adds to thought, and thought is never a bad thing. If someone does not want to participate, then they do not have to post. I do not post to cause problems, but I do not take ***** off anyone.
But it's ok, I'm catching a birdy to the land of parched life on monday, so my posting is all but done. I normally only go online to use email. Internet is normally unavailable where I go, and when it is available, it is restricted to certain criteria. My brother may make an account. I'm staying at his place right now. Just a visit before go out again. Don't worry, he is just a rock star guy. Not a trouble maker like me.
