Why doesn't the US do something about mass shootings?

[truethat]

Cullennz, that is about the best slap-down I have seen here in a long time.




Its seems to me that "unregulated" is a more accurate description of the state of arms control in the US.

This is the only way we can actually solve it. In the US we cling to our Bill of Rights like a life line and no one wants to mess with them because if you mess with one, you set precedent to mess with the others.

Certainly the founding fathers dropped the ball on this one but only because they had no idea about the level of technological development that was to come. This video explains it nicely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LORVfnFtcH0

So in my mind the only way to get around it is to zoom in on the "well regulated part." It drives me nuts that people don't focus on that and instead get into a debate they will always lose.

Wipe all the debating about having guns off the table. Shut it down. You can keep your precious guns. LETS REGULATE IT THEN. The words are straight out of the 2nd Amendment.

 

[HenryLee]

Excellent point. Did you also notice that when the shootings of Black Men carrying weapons with permits happened the NRA said absolutely nothing?

Shootings? Black Men? When did this happen? Alton Sterling? Convicted felon. The gun control regulations you think we need so badly already prevent him from carrying a gun.

Philando Castile? Ongoing investigation. Should the NRA run out in front of the cameras and run their mouths without the facts like they were the president of the United States? How does that help?

Also is there any situation in which cops can shoot someone with a carry permit? Or is a magic talisman that grants the possessor total immunity to consequences?

 

[HenryLee]

Someone once said that once Sandy Hook went down the debate on gun control was essentially over, because once Americans became OK with children being killed the limits have been set.

What you do you propose that will ensure that children will never ever be killed again? I'd like to see it.

 

[HenryLee]

And the NRA is hiding under the skirts of the 2nd Amendment instead of being a leader in guns. They need to stop pretending this is an issue of Freedom and realize that it's an issue of RESPONSIBILITY and take responsibility for promoting proper responsible gun control instead of painting it as the evil government is trying to take their guns away.

Do you know what the NRA-ILA is?

 

[HenryLee]

In my opinion, the issue needs to be addressed by discussing the "Well Regulated' part of the 2nd Amendment. Regulation is the only way we will be able to do anything because the Bill of Rights are sacrosanct and people are not willing to touch them.

But there is a possibility to focus on regulating weapons. What can be sold, banning Gun Shows or at least requiring background checks before leaving shows.

Awright, here's the discussion. You're using the word wrong.

That the strength of the Wabash Indians who were principally the object of the resolve of the 21st of July 1787, and the strength of the Creek Indians is very different. That the said Creeks are not only greatly superior in numbers but are more united, better regulated, and headed by a man whose talents appear to have fixed him in their confidence... That from the view of the object your Secretary has been able to take he conceives that the only effectual mode of acting against the said Creeks in case they should persist in their hostilities would be by making an invasion of their country with a powerful body of well regulated troops always ready to combat and able to defeat any combination of force the said Creeks could oppose and to destroy their towns and provisions.
https://books.google.com/books?id=rogbAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA25&lpg=PA25&dq=the+said+Creeks+are+not+only+greatly+superior+in+numbers+but+are+more+united,+better+regulated,+and&source=bl&ots=UL9aYPPsDu&sig=3Yao2u8rNM6ekVn5HNBXatPnA_k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiT29yV4J3OAhXox4MKHe5ACQEQ6AEIHjAA#v=onepage&q=the%20said%20Creeks%20are%20not%20only%20greatly%20superior%20in%20numbers%20but%20are%20more%20united%2C%20better%20regulated%2C%20and&f=false

What is the Secretary of War and Congress talking about here? The superiority of Indian gun control regulations?

 

[Cleon]

Philando Castile? Ongoing investigation.

Still haven't figured out a way to blame him, eh?

 

[Seismosaurus]

It's puzzling to me, as a Kiwi, that there have been so many mass shootings in in the US and it doesn't appear that the US has decided to do any sort of reaction to the problem.

Seems like once again they are waiting for a miracle to solve the problem, put thier people on the line so then the rest of the world can sit back once again ridiculing us for not solving the problem , as they have done, for the last few decades.

Why doesn't the US do something to respond to mass shooters.

Don't the numerous attacks warrant a response on behalf of their people and for the security of their kids? After the little kindergarten attack I really expected to see a response. Or wait, let me guess, "everyone is on Holiday and they'll do something when they get back."

NRA support is very important, especially to conservatives.

The NRA are dogmatically committed to being against any and all restrictions on gun ownership.

Hence, the government will never do anything about mass shootings.

 

[Cleon]

It is perfectly consistent to support gun rights and reasonable restrictions* on the purchase of firearms.

This fact is often lost on both sides of an unnecessarily binary political outlook.


* For varying definitions of "reasonable"

 

[applecorped]

I'm sure this thread will finally solve the gun debate once and for all.

Hallelujah.

 

[Jules Galen]

A thread on gun control because we haven't had one for a day or two.

So true. the Gun Control threads are getting kind of tiring - especially since they aren't even relevant to most people's life styles.

Here's a Questionaire concerning risk:

1. Do you carry large sums of cash around?
2. Do you or anyone in your household sell Hard Drugs?
3. Are you an absolute arse when someone does you wrong while you are driving?
4. Do you hang around bars - especially seedy bars late at night?
5. Are you a Gang Member or is anyone in your House a Gang Member..or have you angered a Gang Member?
6. Can you not apologize and walk away from strife, but instead insist on getting the last word in during personal confrontations (just because you are right and that other dude is wrong!)?
7. If someone attempts to rob you on the street, can you just give them the damned money and report it to the police later.

If the answer to all seven (7) (fixed it) of the above questions was "No", then congratulations: your chances of being shot are about 'nil. So why worry about Gun Control so much?

But here's the big one, and it should be answered with a yes:

Are you familiar with street etiquette an realize that the foundations of good street etiquette are trans-cultural and trans-national? (In other words, someone following you as you walk across a dark and lonely parking lot is poor etiquette whether it happens in Boston or Bangladesh)

 

[truethat]

Oh Non Americans favorite hobby is to talk about what's wrong with America while completely ignoring what's wrong with their own countries. I think it's something along the lines of why people watch reality shows. It's escapism from reality and actually contributing something to the world. Instead you can laze around on your couch and stuff your face with take out and criticize someone else. It makes people feel better even though they are not contributing a dang thing to society as a whole.

 

[Craig B]

So true. the Gun Control threads are getting kind of tiring - especially since they aren't even relevant to most people's life styles.

Here's a Questionaire concerning risk:

1. Do you carry large sums of cash around?
2. Do you or anyone in your household sell Hard Drugs?
3. Are you an absolute arse when someone does you wrong while you are driving?
4. Do you hang around bars - especially seedy bars late at night?
5. Are you a Gang Member or is anyone in your House a Gang Member..or have you angered a Gang Member?
6. Can you not apologize and walk away from strife, but instead insist on getting the last word in during personal confrontations (just because you are right and that other dude is wrong!)?
7. If someone attempts to rob you on the street, can you just give them the damned money and report it to the police later.

If the answer to all six (6) of the above questions was "No", then congratulations: your chances of being shot are about 'nil. So why worry about Gun Control so much?

Which of your categories did these children fall in?

In the US in 2015, more people were shot and killed by toddlers than by terrorists.​

 

[Jules Galen]

Which of your categories did these children fall in?

In the US in 2015, more people were shot and killed by toddlers than by terrorists.​

Who cares?

If you don't want to get shot by a child, then don't give them a gun. They are children for Chris-sakes - they don't know better.

And...if you have children, try to live a lifestyle where you don't need to keep a loaded gun around all the time.

 

[C_Felix]

We send thoughts and prayers.

 

[Ranb]

It's puzzling to me, as a Kiwi, that there have been so many mass shootings in in the US and it doesn't appear that the US has decided to do any sort of reaction to the problem.

As far as I know semi-auto rifles with fixed magazines holding 7 or fewer rounds are class A firearms in NZ and anyone who can own a gun can possess them. Am I correct? A good example would be an SKS with the internal magazine blocked to hold 7 or fewer rounds. Stripper clips allow for rapid reloading.

While the availability of guns is a factor, perhaps the human factor is more important? Why is the list of massacres in NZ relatively small? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_New_Zealand

Ranb

 

[arthwollipot]

 

[MikeG]

Oh Non Americans favorite hobby is to talk about what's wrong with America while completely ignoring what's wrong with their own countries. I think it's something along the lines of why people watch reality shows. It's escapism from reality and actually contributing something to the world. Instead you can laze around on your couch and stuff your face with take out and criticize someone else. It makes people feel better even though they are not contributing a dang thing to society as a whole.

The really funny thing is that I think you actually believe this to be true.

 

[cullennz]

Oh Non Americans favorite hobby is to talk about what's wrong with America while completely ignoring what's wrong with their own countries. I think it's something along the lines of why people watch reality shows. It's escapism from reality and actually contributing something to the world. Instead you can laze around on your couch and stuff your face with take out and criticize someone else. It makes people feel better even though they are not contributing a dang thing to society as a whole.

You take things too personally

 

[arthwollipot]

If you take a look at the Australian Politics thread, you'll see that many of us are quite concerned about what happens in our own countries.

It's just that mass shootings don't happen in our countries. We're concerned about other things.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Everyone needs to be cognizant of their surroundings whenever they go out in public. If one goes to a restaurant, theatre, store, where've, note where the exits are. Note where the hardened structures are. Have a plan for one's spouse or kids. In one's place if business, encourage management to conduct emergency drills. If necessary, fight. It would only take two to three individuals, even if unarmed, to overpower one guy with a gun. Be prepared. React, don't freeze.

You live your life like that?