Why does Mel Gibson hate Jews?

Dave1001 said:
I didn't say all publicity is good publicity. But at the very least, I think it's likely that Mel Gibson is fighting last time's publicity war. It worked for him last time very, very well. Let's see if realities have changed, or if he walks away from this with hundreds of millions more lucre in his pocket.
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Two thoughts:

How bizarre is it to promote a movie by getting pulled over for DUI and inexplicable start yelling anti Semitic remarks?

How bizarre is it that one could successfully market a movie by making oneself a victim of Jewish persecution?
 
Lisa Simpson said:
I have never been drunk, but I would think alcohol might bring forth the statements one normally represses because of societal pressure.
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I agree. He blew a .12 which, while high enough that you shouldn't be driving, isn't exactly "ripped out of my mind, don't know what I'm saying, spouting hateful remarks about jews". That's just my experienced though. I don't start cursing the Jews until .16 or so.
 
Breaking News! Jewish groups call for a hate crime investigation on Mel!

Calling for a criminal investigation into the Oscar-winning actor and director's remarks, Abraham Foxman, the national director of the US Jewish Anti-Defamation League, said: "We believe there should be consequences to bigots and bigotry."
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Apparently freedom of speech doesn't extend to Mel.
 
My wife used to have a huge crush on Mel, but since this whole Passion thing and the allegations of anti-Semitism, she's been forced to switch her affections to Johnny Dep.

I, of course, remain faithful to Drew Barrymore.
 
Lisa Simpson said:
Breaking News! Jewish groups call for a hate crime investigation on Mel!



Apparently freedom of speech doesn't extend to Mel.
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Heavens to Jehosephat! Is he insane? Exactly what crime does he allege here? What kind of mind-control state does Foxman envision turning us into?

If there's a group called Jews against the ADL, then sign me up. Come on, it's not as bad as Jews for Buchanan.
 
Cylinder said:
He blew 0.12.

Flirt with your bosses wife? Yes.

Refer to your Johnson by its pet name loudly in mixed company? Maybe.

Go into spontaneous anti-Semitic, prima donna rant and call a girl "sugar tits" even though you really are a good guy at heart? It does not work that way.
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true.

No amount of drink would make someone

blurt out a barrage of anti-semitic remarks about '****ing Jews'. (Gibson yelled out: 'The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world.' Gibson then asked: 'Are you a Jew?'")
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if they didn't think it was true......
 
senorpogo said:
Exactly, before the Rabbis of Unusual Size.

Andre the Giant note - Wikipedia cites Rob Reiner as claiming "When André was young, he could not fit on a normal school bus and had to be driven to school. As his parents were unable to afford a car of their own, his neighbor, famed playwright Samuel Beckett, drove him every day."
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This makes no sense -- a 7 foot guy would have no problem on a bus, even if he had to duck a little bit.

I note Wikipedia claims he was only 6' 10" or so, and that Hulk Hogan was only 6' 4". I can see adding an inch or two to height to make people seem bigger on billing, but not 4 and 7 inches, respectively. I find it hard to believe he'd be only as tall as Bill Laimbeer.
 
Didn't he also say, "I own Malibu and I don't care how much money it takes I'll get you back for this." ? This I think is more interesting than the anti-semetic stuff.
 
I don't find that interesting. Most very wealthy people I've met have that attitude. I used to work at an elementary school in the wealthiest part of my town and even the kids spoke like that.
 
LeCynthia said:
Didn't he also say, "I own Malibu and I don't care how much money it takes I'll get you back for this." ? This I think is more interesting than the anti-semetic stuff.
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This is probably why the anti-Semetic stuff made the press. He said this to the cop, the cop got a little ticked off, and a few hours later copies of the offending portions of his report mysteriously made its way to the press.
 
At first, realizing that drunkenness would not invent anti-semitic comments in his head where none existed before, I was ready to jump all over him for this.

But it occurs to me that you don't choose your emotions... someone can have racist impulsive thoughts, and deliberately choose not to act on them or treat others differently because of it. I would hesitate to call such a person a racist, in fact I would commend them for trying to overcome what they recognize as a harmful instinct inside of them.

But if you take that person, get him drunk, loosen his tongue, you may suddenly find him channeling his father's words. I don't like it... but I don't know if I could make up my mind about him based on only that.
 
gnome said:
But if you take that person, get him drunk, loosen his tongue, you may suddenly find him channeling his father's words. I don't like it... but I don't know if I could make up my mind about him based on only that.
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It's a combination of things. While I'll agree that sometimes people do say random, uncharacterstic things when drunk, it's not like Gibson doesn't have a suspicious track record of quasi-anti-semitic actions.

He made a movie that some see as extremely anti-semitic. When asked by Peggy Noonan about his Holocaust denying father he responded by saying "My father has never told me a lie." Now you having him drunk, cursing the Jews. Whether he's truly a racist or not, I don't know, though I think he's set himself up to be fairly labeled as such.
 
andyandy said:
No amount of drink would make someone


"blurt out a barrage of anti-semitic remarks about '****ing Jews'. (Gibson yelled out: 'The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world.' Gibson then asked: 'Are you a Jew?'") "


if they didn't think it was true......
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I don't know if you have to think it is true, but it most certainly is something you have thought about. Maybe it was a drunk thing, and a sober Mel Gibson doesn't think Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world. However, the fact he is blurting it out tells me that it is something he actually thinks about. That already makes it an issue. How many non-anti-semites actually think about whether Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world?

This is not the booze talking, because booze doesn't accuse Jews for war. It really only happens with people who think in those terms in the first place.

I had a sort of related event last weekend (booze related, but nothing illegal). Was at a class reunion, had a few drinks, and brought up my opinion that one of my classmates was the ugliest person on the face of the earth. Dang it, she was and still is absolutely butt-ugly. She doesn't make up for with a great personality (probably pretty average in that regard), but that's off the point. Looks-wise, ugly. Objectively ugly.

Probably wouldn't say it sober (although given the crowd, I might), but at 0.12 or so, that stuff comes out. But the connection here is that it is something I have thought about before. Hell, for 25 years, I've thought that, but didn't say anything to anyone until now. The point here is that you don't spout out stuff, even when drunk, unless you've thought about it previously to some extent.

So I don't know if sober Mel is really anti-semitic, but the thoughts have gone through his head. Meanwhile, my classmate really _IS_ the ugliest person ever.
 
pgwenthold said:
I don't know if you have to think it is true, but it most certainly is something you have thought about. Maybe it was a drunk thing, and a sober Mel Gibson doesn't think Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world. However, the fact he is blurting it out tells me that it is something he actually thinks about. That already makes it an issue. How many non-anti-semites actually think about whether Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world?

This is not the booze talking, because booze doesn't accuse Jews for war. It really only happens with people who think in those terms in the first place.

I had a sort of related event last weekend (booze related, but nothing illegal). Was at a class reunion, had a few drinks, and brought up my opinion that one of my classmates was the ugliest person on the face of the earth. Dang it, she was and still is absolutely butt-ugly. She doesn't make up for with a great personality (probably pretty average in that regard), but that's off the point. Looks-wise, ugly. Objectively ugly.

Probably wouldn't say it sober (although given the crowd, I might), but at 0.12 or so, that stuff comes out. But the connection here is that it is something I have thought about before. Hell, for 25 years, I've thought that, but didn't say anything to anyone until now. The point here is that you don't spout out stuff, even when drunk, unless you've thought about it previously to some extent.

So I don't know if sober Mel is really anti-semitic, but the thoughts have gone through his head. Meanwhile, my classmate really _IS_ the ugliest person ever.
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Picture?

I'd call myself a drinker. One of my huge pet peeves is when a bunch of @ssholes get all liquored up at a football game or boxing match and go on some kind of rampage. Ultimately, it's the booze that gets blamed and not the @ssholes who were looking for an excuse to be @ssholes and do they things that @ssholes do. In the same way, alcohol does not make one an anti-semite nor does it change someone's mind in such a way to convince them that their classmate is the ugliest person ever.
 
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