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Why do we need critical thinking?

I was a bit disapointed to find a persons faith in this list. Faith is something that comes from within. Each person senses their faith differently. There people deeply devoted to their faith. Others who feel no need for faith in their lives.

Faith starts with an outside influence, just like any other belief.


No skeptic can mount an arguement that God does not exist. Conversly a person of faith can never offer absolute evidence he does exist.

In a sense it is the same as two blind people arguing the colour of orange. How does either prove their case?

The same can be argued with just about any other paranormal/irrational belief. Prove to me that Big Foot exists..... can't be done. Prove BF doesn't exist..... not possible either. So what's the difference between faith and paranormal/irrational beliefs? There isn't any.
 
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I wonder which god MG is talking about.

I bet it's the one that doesn't interfere with the physical world in any meaningful or measurable way, and is without any actual definition. It just is, because faith says so, and that's that.
 
How they can believe in things which contradicts each other then? How did Orwel call it in his 1984? ;)

Doublethink (both in 1984 and, I suspect, in reality) derives from thinking contradictory concepts simulataneously, not from switching between two ways of interpreting the world. It is not that they switch between scientific mode and spiritual mode, but rather that they believe both at the same time without fully appreciating the contradiction involved.
 
Re why critical thinking is necessary....

I think Dawkins' discussion of the impact of the hell myth on children is relevant here.

Dawkins asks, which is worse, child molestation or threats of hell?

In answering this question, he applies critical thinking to both cases.

First, he says, we can't simply lump all cases of sexual molestation into one category, as is so often done today. (E.g., right now, there's a legislative effort in my state effort to effectively banish all "sex offenders" from the state by making housing practically impossible for them -- this includes the child rapist as well as the grown man previously convicted at the age of 16 of canoodling with his then 14 yo girlfriend. The stated goal of the sponsor is to move "sexual predators" to other states... just as pedophile priests were shuffled from parish to parish.)

In cases of simple fondling, he argues, it can be much more traumatizing to tell a youngster that many of his friends and family will be tortured for eternity.

Dawkins said:
Being fondled by the Latin master in the Squash Court was a disagreeable sensation for a nine-year-old, a mixture of embarrassment and skin-crawling revulsion, but it was certainly not in the same league as being led to believe that I, or someone I knew, might go to everlasting fire. As soon as I could wriggle off his knee, I ran to tell my friends and we had a good laugh, our fellowship enhanced by the shared experience of the same sad pedophile. I do not believe that I, or they, suffered lasting, or even temporary damage from this disagreeable physical abuse of power. Given the Latin Master’s eventual suicide, maybe the damage was all on his side.... [Yet] the mental abuse constituted by an unsubstantiated threat of violence and terrible pain, if sincerely believed by the child, could easily be more damaging than the physical actuality of sexual abuse. An extreme threat of violence and pain is precisely what the doctrine of hell is. And there is no doubt at all that many children sincerely believe it, often continuing right through adulthood and old age until death finally releases them.

So it is not necessarily some benign matter of personal faith.

I applaud Dawkins for telling this story in a straightforward manner without the hysteria we're so accustomed to lately.

I recall the story of a young man arrested on a minor charge who was placed in a holding cell with, coincidentally, a former coach who had "molested" him (I don't know what that consisted of) as a boy. He beat the man senseless.

The young man's mother, in an interview, defended her son by saying that this man had "stolen his manhood" among other hyperbole.

Is it any wonder that this fellow felt so traumatized, what with his own mother willing to make statements like that publicly. I would be very surprised if her reaction back in the day were any more sane. I would bet that her reaction had a lot to do with how this youth came to interpret what had happened. No one, after all, had "stolen his manhood" or "stolen his life" as his mother claimed. The crime may have been serious (e.g., forced sodomy), but if it was, then this sort of reaction is not conducive to healing. No wonder he turned into an angry young man.

So what does critical thinking have to do with all that?

I believe that the continued practice of critical thinking conditions us to stop for a moment and ask "what's really going on here?" It helps us to act, rather than to react.

It also frees us from the sort of "positive bigotry" which allows us to dismiss the psychological manipulation and terrorizing of children as mere "faith".
 
It is not that they switch between scientific mode and spiritual mode, but rather that they believe both at the same time without fully appreciating the contradiction involved.
How's that possible? :eek:

"I think God does not exist therefore it does, so I am right. Try to argue with this, you pesky skeptics!!"

OK actually it's possible when one fools himself by finding as many ad hocs as he needs. Some of them:

"God doesn't allow himself to be tested"

"Bible shouldn't be taken literaly"

"Science just doesn't know everything yet"
 
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That's probably the best deconstruction of god I've ever seen.
Whatchoo talkin bout, Willis? You know no one can do that. ;)

As you can tell, it's something I've given a great deal of thought to. My cause of the moment is debunking the naive meme that God must be possible because "it can't be disproven".

It's a difficult meme to expose, because it seems sensible at first blush, but when you actually examine it, it falls apart.
 
There's really no hard relation between following skepticism and following science, as my Browne example demonstrated.

No, your Browne example is wrong.

Modern skepticism is embodied in the scientific method, which involves gathering data to test natural explanations for natural phenomenon. A claim becomes factual when it is confirmed to such an extent that it would be reasonable to offer temporary agreement. But all facts in science are provisional and subject to challenge, and therefore skepticism is a method leading to provisional conclusions.

A skeptic is one who questions the validity of a particular claim by calling for evidence to prove or disprove it.
source In your example, Browne doubts reiki; but doubting reiki does not necessarily mean she is practising modern skepticism.
 

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