Which craft?

[Dancing David]

Before I realized I was an atheist I was a middle-school student struggling with faith. I turned to witchcraft or Wicca or the Olde Religion or whatever bogus name they call it. By the time I was in high school, I had realized that I believed in no gods, spirits, et cetera, but I still wanted to cast spells and curse people.

I was never that into it. But interestingly enough, the only time I ever actually did a spell was to curse this older guy who, along with his friends, would beat me up because I was an atheist. I did the curse in the early morning before school, and after school that day I told him that I had cursed him and that all the evil he had wrought upon me would come back on him in some form or another. Fifteen minutes later he discovered that his father had committed suicide. It was pure chance, and ironically it was after this that I really became a skeptic.

Needless to say, for the next few years of my high school career, I was labeled a Satanist; however, I was never really bothered at school by anyone and still had a lot of friends.

That's a long anecdotal story that really has no point to the general discussion going on in this thread... I just thought I'd share.

Perhaps you were responding to the lack of balance in that person's life, sure made your reputaion as an atheist.

 

[kmortis]

I thought Crowley was much more cynical, like his calling himself 'the evilest man in the world', my assumption was that sometimes he was writing literature where he manipulated the plot to provide the outcome.

He too created an illusion of something having happened. BTW what makes you think that sex magic does not produce the desired outcome?

Well, bear in mind, his mother is the one to give him the nickname "the Beast". That's gotta do something to a kid's psyche. I like Al's sense of humor was wonderful, especially for a Victorian era man. I liked his ability to tweak the status quo. Knowing this, I still recognize that, at his base, he was a charlatan.

If by "sex magic working" you mean: "you and your partner get off", I whole heartedly agree. Or that it produces a kid, I agree (if that was the Intent). If you mean "by utilizing sex in the process of a magical spell" then, no, I don't think it works. This being said, I've taken enough pages out of Uncle Al's playbook to think that if you can convince some young lady (or guy, if you swing that way) that the sex is a work of magick, then go for it...even if the Intent isn't fulfilled, it's a lot of fun trying,

 

[Tricky]

I was never that into it. But interestingly enough, the only time I ever actually did a spell was to curse this older guy who, along with his friends, would beat me up because I was an atheist. I did the curse in the early morning before school, and after school that day I told him that I had cursed him and that all the evil he had wrought upon me would come back on him in some form or another. Fifteen minutes later he discovered that his father had committed suicide. It was pure chance, and ironically it was after this that I really became a skeptic.

Needless to say, for the next few years of my high school career, I was labeled a Satanist; however, I was never really bothered at school by anyone and still had a lot of friends.

Wow, that really was an amazing coincidence. I'm glad it didn't turn you into a woo. Heck, one hit like that and your reputation can be made for life. Jeanne Dixon's only claim to fame was that she "predicted" that JFK would die in office. Although she was wrong in almost all of the particulars, nobody remembers that, only that she made a prediction that sort of came true.

About your tormentor, I can't help but wonder what happened to him after that. Obviously his home life was not a storybook one. Did he love his father? Had his father taught him to be a bully?

Anyway, welcome to the land of the thinking, EC. There are any number of us here who have experience with Wicca (my wife is Wiccan). When she and I were on our honeymoon, we went to the Museum of Witchcraft in Boscastle England. It was an extremely interesting place, with lots of exhibits devoted to Crowley. He was maybe not the evilist man in the world, but certainly one of the most self-indulgent.

As for spells, don't get me started...

 

[luchog]

If by "sex magic working" you mean: "you and your partner get off", I whole heartedly agree. Or that it produces a kid, I agree (if that was the Intent). If you mean "by utilizing sex in the process of a magical spell" then, no, I don't think it works. This being said, I've taken enough pages out of Uncle Al's playbook to think that if you can convince some young lady (or guy, if you swing that way) that the sex is a work of magick, then go for it...even if the Intent isn't fulfilled, it's a lot of fun trying,

The vast majority of people I know who are into "sex magic" are focussed on the "sex" part, and only add the "magic" because it make it easier to get the "sex", especially unusual "sex" practices.

I do know a few who are all about the "magic", but they're seriously strange, and in one case, a complete fluffbunny. They don't get much in the way of "sex" either.

I do get into some of the "sex magic" stuff. Couldn't give a rat's a$$ about the "magic", but some of the techniques make "sex" a lot more interesting if you can stick with them.

 

[kmortis]

The vast majority of people I know who are into "sex magic" are focussed on the "sex" part, and only add the "magic" because it make it easier to get the "sex", especially unusual "sex" practices.

I do know a few who are all about the "magic", but they're seriously strange, and in one case, a complete fluffbunny. They don't get much in the way of "sex" either.

I do get into some of the "sex magic" stuff. Couldn't give a rat's a$$ about the "magic", but some of the techniques make "sex" a lot more interesting if you can stick with them.

Yes they are. I guess in a way it is sex magic.....

 

[delphi_ote]

Blood sugar crazy. She has it.