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Which craft?

And if a stranger should attack you with a banana, you take out the gun and shoot him.
 
Pope130 said:
If we accept this definition, that "Magic" is what stage magicians (like The Amazing Randi) do, and that "Magick" is casting spells and curses and such, then the difference is that "Magic" works, "Magick" does not.

Robert
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I suggest that you read Magick in Theory and Practise before you make such a bold assertions. If you define 'spell casting' as the only definition then you haven't read the book. According to Crowley the purpose of magick is to discover you 'true will' and live your life as you wish.

He defines 'magick' as being mainly cerimonial invokation of dieties for the purpose of sel fullfillment, spell casting is defined as 'socery' which is causing changes in other people perception.

m(40)+a(1)+g(3)+i(10)+c(3)+k(20)=77
 
Dancing David,
If it works, do it. Take the challenge, win the million dollars.

Robert
 
Pope130 said:
Dancing David,
If it works, do it. Take the challenge, win the million dollars.

Robert
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Perhaps you should reread the challenge rules or my post,


'cerimonial invokation of dieties for the purpose of sel fullfillment': (which is one of my better typing goofs) : ceremonial invocation of dieties for the purpose of self fullfillment

and

'discover your 'true will' and live your life as you wish.'

Would only be super natural events by a real strech of the imagination.

Perhaps it is you who should do some research and practise and then get back to us about it.
 
delphi_ote said:
And 77=7*11, which is GK. That stands for "just kidding."
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Your a lot closer than you think, seven is the number of material mainfestation and eleven is the number of magic.

As a side bar, i am a sceptic, and a nihilist, there are different tools to discuss different aspects of the human perception. Some of them are intuitive, 'magical', and usualy devoid of anything other than emotional expression of mental concepts.

Using the number 77 to denote something is no stranger than using the word 'tree' to denote the object that we refer to as a tree, the tree does however produce more tangible evidence than 77.
 
Dancing David,
So are you saying that beleiving in and practicing "Magick" makes you feel good about yourself, but has no measurable objective effect? In what manner does this differ from conventional religion?
If it is just religion then you should be posting in that forum, not the General Skepticism and Paranormal.

Robert
 
Magic(k) must be real. I know a kleptomaniac who after being given a spell in prison didn't steal for 6 months. I also know a horse that turned into an field.


I'll get my coat....


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delphi_ote said:
Yes. Spelling magic with a 'k' is certainly intuitive.


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I am so glad that you like to read what ever you want into posts.

I am very sure that I stated spelling magic with a k is intuitive, but if you get off on your midguided interpretation of what I said then more power to you.

And perhaps you should examine your preconceptions about what i said, if you are so gung ho to interpret what I say then perhaps you are the psychic.
 
H3LL said:
Magic(k) must be real. I know a kleptomaniac who after being given a spell in prison didn't steal for 6 months. I also know a horse that turned into an field.


I'll get my coat....


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Just like the Xians , you read what you want into what another person wrote, , does sulf fullfillment mean that a horse turned into a field?

Some people are so uptight, a person merely talks about something that makes you uncomfortable and you think they are a woo.

Did I say that you could turn a prince into a frog? No I did not , but carry on your merry way.
 
David,
Putting aside percieved or real attacks for the moment, it still comes down to magic demonstrably works (it decieves its audience into thinking something appears to have happened), MAGE-ik does not. As much as I respect Uncle Al, I also recognize that he was a bit of a charltan. He put the 'k' at the end to fit the gematria. If gematria worked, it would have produced the results that Al wanted without his manipulation.
 
Dancing David said:
I am so glad that you like to read what ever you want into posts.

I am very sure that I stated spelling magic with a k is intuitive, but if you get off on your midguided interpretation of what I said then more power to you.

And perhaps you should examine your preconceptions about what i said, if you are so gung ho to interpret what I say then perhaps you are the psychic.
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The above quip was meant to be humorous, not an attack.

But maybe if you would explain what you're trying to say in plain English (without resorting to nonsense phrases like "emotional expression of mental concepts") my interpretations wouldn't be so "misguided."
 
Dancing David said:
I suggest that you read Magick in Theory and Practise before you make such a bold assertions. If you define 'spell casting' as the only definition then you haven't read the book. According to Crowley the purpose of magick is to discover you 'true will' and live your life as you wish.

He defines 'magick' as being mainly cerimonial invokation of dieties for the purpose of sel fullfillment, spell casting is defined as 'socery' which is causing changes in other people perception.

m(40)+a(1)+g(3)+i(10)+c(3)+k(20)=77
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Actually, Crowley created his system of "magick" in order to thumb his nose at the Golden Dawn, sell books, and discover an increase in funding for his drug-and-prostitute habit; and live his life more opulently at the expense of credulous idiots. His "true will" seemed to involve a lot of heroin and venereal disease, as well as dying of complications from his chronic respiratory problems brought on by his diseases and drug use.
 
Dancing David said:
Just like the Xians , you read what you want into what another person wrote, , does sulf fullfillment mean that a horse turned into a field?

Some people are so uptight, a person merely talks about something that makes you uncomfortable and you think they are a woo.

Did I say that you could turn a prince into a frog? No I did not , but carry on your merry way.
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Well done. You managed to read such a lot into two very old schoolboy jokes. None of what you say above makes any sense what-so-ever. Did you pick the words at random or did you need help?

I don't think you are woo. I think you need a good carpenter to help you remove that enormous chip on your shoulder.


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Before I realized I was an atheist I was a middle-school student struggling with faith. I turned to witchcraft or Wicca or the Olde Religion or whatever bogus name they call it. By the time I was in high school, I had realized that I believed in no gods, spirits, et cetera, but I still wanted to cast spells and curse people.

I was never that into it. But interestingly enough, the only time I ever actually did a spell was to curse this older guy who, along with his friends, would beat me up because I was an atheist. I did the curse in the early morning before school, and after school that day I told him that I had cursed him and that all the evil he had wrought upon me would come back on him in some form or another. Fifteen minutes later he discovered that his father had committed suicide. It was pure chance, and ironically it was after this that I really became a skeptic.

Needless to say, for the next few years of my high school career, I was labeled a Satanist; however, I was never really bothered at school by anyone and still had a lot of friends.

That's a long anecdotal story that really has no point to the general discussion going on in this thread... I just thought I'd share.
 
kmortis said:
David,
Putting aside percieved or real attacks for the moment, it still comes down to magic demonstrably works (it decieves its audience into thinking something appears to have happened), MAGE-ik does not. As much as I respect Uncle Al, I also recognize that he was a bit of a charltan. He put the 'k' at the end to fit the gematria. If gematria worked, it would have produced the results that Al wanted without his manipulation.
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I thought Crowley was much more cynical, like his calling himself 'the evilest man in the world', my assumption was that sometimes he was writing literature where he manipulated the plot to provide the outcome.

He too created an illusion of something having happened. BTW what makes you think that sex magic does not produce the desired outcome?
 
delphi_ote said:
The above quip was meant to be humorous, not an attack.

But maybe if you would explain what you're trying to say in plain English (without resorting to nonsense phrases like "emotional expression of mental concepts") my interpretations wouldn't be so "misguided."
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AAAAAAARG!

I am very concrete in my thinking, my humor process was not active, sigh.

BTW that is plain English, it is like discussing why Bifrost is a rainbow or Superman is a virgin.

I often misread humor, esp. A. Camel's and apparently yours.

BTW that is plain english, it is like discussing why Superman is a virgin or if DareDevil is truely anti-social, and about as meanigful.
 
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H3LL said:
Well done. You managed to read such a lot into two very old schoolboy jokes. None of what you say above makes any sense what-so-ever. Did you pick the words at random or did you need help?

I don't think you are woo. I think you need a good carpenter to help you remove that enormous chip on your shoulder.


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AAAAAAARG!

I am very concrete in my thinking, my humor process was not active, sigh.

I often misread humor, esp. A. Camel's and apparently yours.
 
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