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When will Traitor Cheney resign?

Cain said:
Such comparisons attempt to boast plausibility by introducing topics, characters, and events that really were shameful/stupid/unnecessary. (Off-topic note: this is a favorite strategy of our bumbling, fumbling FOC "Substantially Lacking" aka JJ).
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Once again, "Cain", having nothing constructive or informative to add, resorts to outright lies about other board members.
 
rikzilla said:
She and her husband decided to use their positions within the government to play politics in the deep end of the pool. A place where sharks regularly salt the water with the bones of crusaders.
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As far as I know, Joe Wilson's intent was to speak out about a claim that the president made in his SOTU that he knew directly to be untrue. He was a private citizen at the time, as he was when he made his trip to Niger at the government's request. How is that playing politics?

We all know that this was not about compromising national security.
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I know nothing of the sort. you ought to stick to stating what you know, and not what the rest of us know. But that's your choice.

It was about political hatchet-wielding and blood letting. Dirty and nasty? Of course but I have been in DC since '92 and I've seen worse. This doesn't even make the top ten. Certainly no bodies have turned up at Fort Marcy, or Rock Creek Park. There have been no mass firings...there has been no quantifiable damage to the national security. No Congressional check kiting scandals. No $50,000,0000 worth of presidential "head" hunting...
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Nice that you live in DC. Do you know more about Washington scandals from living there than I do by watching TV and reading the papers? Be careful now about claiming what I do and don't know.
 
jj said:
Once again, "Cain", having nothing constructive or informative to add, resorts to outright lies about other board members.
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Here's another clue on JREF language that should set off flags (in addition to our old standbys "straw man", "obviously," "ad hominem" and "clearly". When someone, particularly a politician, needs to call a lie "blatant" or "outright" they're foolishly exaggerating most of the time. This sort of language inflation is an important signal of empty rhetoric. In your case, Substantially Lacking, this claim of yours is rather easily disproven. See for instance the longish animal rights thread, just to choose an example at random, where not once but twice you compared me to other posters. An "Ion" or "Ian" and then "Art Vandelay". Elsewhere, and I remember this quite clearly, it was Shanek. I've seen you do this with other posters in other threads (many times over).

Now then...

Straw is flamable...take care.
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I believe straw is flammable. I don't like to nitpick... but then I also don't like those who cannot recognize remarks that are intentionally sarcastic.

May I ask a question for you, Mr-Inside-the-Beltway? Did you know Valarie Plame worked for the CIA prior to Novak's column? Because, golly, as another thread observes, conservatives would have us believe that practically everyone already knew!

Yeah like; "Xtians are just as dangerous as the Muslims" or "The US brought 9/11 on itself" or "Islam is a religion of peace" or "Bush is more dangerous than Islamic terrorists"...gee when it comes to moral equivalency you're right...I can't hold a candle to you serious leftistas. The Christerrightwingnuts are in their own way even worse...but you're both cut from the same stuff. Critical thinking is supposed to cut through this kind of self-delusion...but you seem immune.
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Ah, I see it turns out you are a fan of satire (or at least self-parody). There's nothing much to reply to since you fail to attribute anything to me.

Blinkered imbeciles who fanatically cling to the righteousness of the Cause and infallibility political heros as they frantically demonize the opposition. Well I've seen it all before Cain. The Plame affair is a non-starter as far as political shenanigans goes. It damaged "national security" far less than blowing up a foreign asprin factory in order to distract tv coverage from an impeachment did. :bah:
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Again back to Clinton! I'm not sure what the previous administration's war crimes have to do with you (not) condemning the current administration.

Then you must have loved Linda. (You know "Linda" means "Beautiful" in Spanish)
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Again, I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. And shame on you for posting a picture! My mother's name happens to be "Linda", so yes I am aware of the Spanish meaning. Now, you would like to know my favorite color?

Actually the biggest hit national security has taken recently was from the NYT article outting the secret NSA "googling" for terrorist chatter program. Calling it "wiretapping is a bit old fashioned don't you think? I have worked in the field of international communications for 25 years. I was with the Army Tech Control, rm 5A910 The Pentagon...then TRT, bought by Pac Bell, bought by IDB, bought by Worldcom, bankrupted into MCI, bought by VerizonBusiness. I know communications my friend...just like I know that what NSA is doing is not a "wiretap". The program was probably legal merely because it was an as yet undefined surveilance technique...the laws are woefully out of date on tech issues you know. You want damage to national security? There it is...far easier to quantify than the theoretical damage from Plame.
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It's fun to see you digress mid-paragraph. I'm sure the program is legal: the small government conservatives at the White House said so.

This is the meme. Democrats sadly are the party of Jane Fonda...and remain staunchly so. The other side of the meme is that Republicans are mean spirited tyranical rights-thieves. Republicans sadly are the party of McCarthy...although they at least seem to be working on that image problem.
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Uh-huh. Which is why Jane Fonda has apologized for her past behavior, and conservative darling Ann Coulter wrote a best-selling book praising McCarthy.

Ahem... Worst. Example. Ever.

Here's what the Republicans would have to do:
They'd have to abandon the Iraqis to chaos and war. They'd have to give up fighting AQ. They'd have to have inferior ideas to the Democrats.

I have looked to the Dems for years now hoping that someone would emerge with new and better ways of fighting the WOT and bolstering the Iraqi and Afghan democracies. Yet all I get is anti-Bush noise. People like you Cain. People who have no better plan than; "We're not Bush!"

That dog won't hunt. Hillary knows it and I hope she will be the one Dem I can finally vote for and still sleep at night.
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Madness. You say potential Democratic hopes rest with the second(?) most detestable olitican on the scene today...? A person whose "ideas" are as authentic as her "convictions."

I'm rather sure a "better" way of fighting the so-called "War on Terrorism" would have been to not squander resources, global good will, and lives on an ill-conceived, poorly executed (illegal) invasion and occupation. Indeed, there's quite a lot to be said for not being Bush. It's interesting to hear your call for alternative ideas rather than the "anti-Bush noise" that characterizes so many "leftistas" (such as myself). Of course, this goes to the central point of my post: your failure to recognize that the Bush administration has done some truly awful things.

P.S. Notice I did put emphasis in the above quote on "abandon" as I think there is a distinction to be made there. After all, we know, as Rumsfeld observed that freedom isn't "tidy".
 
Hutch said:
I would note that your quote in the OP says nothing about punishing leakers.

it says italic mine.

Depending what else is found out, I am sure the VP Cheney will be taken care of...very well taken care of, indeed. ;)
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:D
 
I don't want to see Dick Cheney resign.

I want to see Dick Chenney fight the charges all the way up to the point that U.S. marshals lead him out of his office in handcuffs. I want to see him do the perp walk.
 
The prosecutor, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, said in a letter to Libby's lawyers last month that Libby told the grand jury that "he had contacts with reporters in which he disclosed the content of the National Intelligence Estimate ('NIE')," that discussed Iraq's nuclear weapons capability. "We also note that it is our understanding that Mr. Libby testified that he was authorized to disclose information about the NIE to the press by his superiors."
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Bole mine. Interesting way to phrase this... either that is what he testified or it is not.

Is Fitzgerald or perhaps the author of the article attempting to tie together two unrelated actions?

Does the VP have authority to release classified documents of outdated information?

NB; I doubt this was of any strategic importance since the day we pulled Saddam out of a spider hole.


rats... forgot the link
 
manny said:
Hah! That's just because you're naive, Jocko. Even as we speak the Neocons, having been caught stealing elections through Diebold, are planning an invented crisis they will use to justify cancelling elections entirely. And the sheeple will buy it! They'll beg to make George II their emperor just like the Imperial Senate did in Revenge of the Sith. And then Halliburton and Diebold and Exxon and Enron (which Bush will restore Kenny-boy to after his acquittal) will start a Roller Ball league to distract us from the takeover.
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See? You guys make fun, and I'll collect the million and blow it on Rollerball bets.
 
manny said:
See? You guys make fun, and I'll collect the million and blow it on Rollerball bets.
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That link is funny, because the statue doesn't list his final year in office means he's going to assume dictatorial powers and be ruler-for-life?!

Must be, because Presidents never, ever die in office...
 
WildCat said:
That link is funny, because the statue doesn't list his final year in office means he's going to assume dictatorial powers and be ruler-for-life?!

Must be, because Presidents never, ever die in office...
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I think it means that they'll replace him with a robot, like they did with Dick Clark.
 
Just saw that. How absolutely weird.
Pretty bad hunter juju to do that. Is there such a thing as an accidental shooting?

Almost karmic the way the big national events get echoed in the small personal ones.
 
"This is something that happens from time to time. You now, I've been peppered pretty well myself," said Armstrong.
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Sheesh I don't know what to think of that. Reminds me of my buddy from Yuma telling me about when he and his cousins raced along the canal roads shooting at each other from trucks. heeyah!
 
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