When will Traitor Cheney resign?

[hgc]

Brush-clearing Bush, 2 years ago:

[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]Yes. Let me just say something about leaks in Washington. There are too many leaks of classified information in Washington. There's leaks at the executive branch; there's leaks in the legislative branch. There's just too many leaks. And if there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of.

But look what Scooter Libby told the Fitzgerald grand jury, according to the National Journal:

[/FONT]Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, testified to a federal grand jury that he had been "authorized" by Cheney and other White House "superiors" in the summer of 2003 to disclose classified information to journalists to defend the Bush administration's use of prewar intelligence in making the case to go to war with Iraq, according to attorneys familiar with the matter, and to court records.

 

[BPSCG]

Is this supposed to be a poll?

Or are you just trying to get some betting action going?

 

[Jocko]

I'm betting on late January, 2009. What's your stakes?

 

[Upchurch]

I'd say the odds are about as good as any politician keeping a promise.

 

[hgc]

Is this supposed to be a poll?

Or are you just trying to get some betting action going?

I was never intrigued by that poll gizmo, and I'm not a betting man. By all means, bet amongst yourselves.

 

[Manny]

I'm betting on late January, 2009. What's your stakes?

Hah! That's just because you're naive, Jocko. Even as we speak the Neocons, having been caught stealing elections through Diebold, are planning an invented crisis they will use to justify cancelling elections entirely. And the sheeple will buy it! They'll beg to make George II their emperor just like the Imperial Senate did in Revenge of the Sith. And then Halliburton and Diebold and Exxon and Enron (which Bush will restore Kenny-boy to after his acquittal) will start a Roller Ball league to distract us from the takeover.

 

[hgc]

Hah! That's just because you're naive, Jocko. Even as we speak the Neocons, having been caught stealing elections through Diebold, are planning an invented crisis they will use to justify cancelling elections entirely. And the sheeple will buy it! They'll beg to make George II their emperor just like the Imperial Senate did in Revenge of the Sith. And then Halliburton and Diebold and Exxon and Enron (which Bush will restore Kenny-boy to after his acquittal) will start a Roller Ball league to distract us from the takeover.

How nice. A passel of strawmen for my collection. That's OK. I won't be distracted from pointing out that Cheney reveals secrets for a political hit job and Bush lies about punishing leakers.

 

[Hutch]

...and Bush lies about punishing leakers.

I would note that your quote in the OP says nothing about punishing leakers.

it says

And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of.

italic mine.

Depending what else is found out, I am sure the VP Cheney will be taken care of...very well taken care of, indeed.

 

[Cain]

Well, Bush, if I correctly recall, flip-flopped on the issue. He said he would punish the leaker, and then he said he would punish whoever violated the law. From ethics standpoint, one should think he would fire the leaker.

Besides, maybe Bush really did plan on punishing the leaker, but never imagined it would be Cheney. It's like the guy who has a garage sale: "Everything must go!" Then someone asks the price of a particular item and he says, "Oh, that's not for sale."

 

[zakur]

Key Bush Quotes On CIA Leak

"The President has set high standards, the highest of standards for people in his administration. He's made it very clear to people in his administration that he expects them to adhere to the highest standards of conduct. If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration." [Scott McLellan, White House Briefing, 9/29/03]

"I don't know of anybody in my administration who leaked classified information. If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action." [Bush Remarks: Chicago, Illinois, 9/30/03]

Asked in June 2004 if he’d stand by his pledge to fire anyone found to have leaked, Bush replied “yes.” [Bush Press Conference: Savannah, GA, 6/10/04]

 

[BPSCG]

We're still waiting for the investigation regarding who leaked the story about the interrogations being done by CIA people in prisons in other countries. Where are the calls for a special prosecutor? After all, unlike l'affaire Libby, that's a leak that really did hurt national security.

 

[DavidJames]

We're still waiting for the investigation regarding who leaked the story about the interrogations being done by CIA people in prisons in other countries. Where are the calls for a special prosecutor? After all, unlike l'affaire Libby, that's a leak that really did hurt national security.

Start a different thread and not obfuscate this one, although I certainly understand why you might want to.

 

[davefoc]

We're still waiting for the investigation regarding who leaked the story about the interrogations being done by CIA people in prisons in other countries. Where are the calls for a special prosecutor? After all, unlike l'affaire Libby, that's a leak that really did hurt national security.

I guess you asked this tongue in cheek, but I'll respond anyway. The reason a special prosecutor is called for is because of the possibility of a conflict of interest between the administration's prosecutor and the prosecution of a crime involving the administration. Presumably the leak of confidential material that is not believed to have been caused by an administration official can be investigated and prosecuted without a conflict of interest by the administration.

I noticed that you alluded to the Republican talking point that outing Valerie Plame didn't do any harm to national security. Why? Is there any public evidence that this was indeed the case? And assuming this was the case, does this mean that you think it was appropriate to leak her name? If her covert status was not beneficial to national security why didn't the administration just release her status in a press conference?

 

[varwoche]

We're still waiting for the investigation regarding who leaked the story about the interrogations being done by CIA people in prisons in other countries. Where are the calls for a special prosecutor? After all, unlike l'affaire Libby, that's a leak that really did hurt national security.

How in Odin's name can it be stated that is it not hurtful to out an undercover agent who was working on wmd non-proliferation?

 

[rikzilla]

We're still waiting for the investigation regarding who leaked the story about the interrogations being done by CIA people in prisons in other countries. Where are the calls for a special prosecutor? After all, unlike l'affaire Libby, that's a leak that really did hurt national security.

I long ago filed "leak-gate" away in the same round file as "Whitewater", "Filegate", "Travelgate", "Memogate", The Vince Foster "murder", etc....

The only thing that the appointment of a special prosecutor usually will accomplish is the spending of $50,000,000 tax payer dollars to discover an immoral political blowjob of some type....

Once we start ignoring the dirty political sniping...perhaps it will stop? Or at least we could accomplish the great feat of not spending $50,000,000 to look under the President's desk?

-z

 

[hgc]

I long ago filed "leak-gate" away in the same round file as "Whitewater", "Filegate", "Travelgate", "Memogate", The Vince Foster "murder", etc....

The only thing that the appointment of a special prosecutor usually will accomplish is the spending of $50,000,000 tax payer dollars to discover an immoral political blowjob of some type....

Once we start ignoring the dirty political sniping...perhaps it will stop? Or at least we could accomplish the great feat of not spending $50,000,000 to look under the President's desk?

-z

Gee, the VP outing a covert CIA agent whose covert status was critical in tracking who might be trying to buy components for a dirty bomb is a lot different from any of your laundry list of past Republican flights of investigatory fancy.

Or for that matter, it's a lot different than the VP outing a covert CIA agent even if she weren't involved in what I described.

Not only is it illegal, but Jesus, don't you care?!?

 

[Cain]

I noticed that you alluded to the Republican talking point that outing Valerie Plame didn't do any harm to national security. Why? Is there any public evidence that this was indeed the case? And assuming this was the case, does this mean that you think it was appropriate to leak her name? If her covert status was not beneficial to national security why didn't the administration just release her status in a press conference?

For shame, Dave. Don't you realize that everyone already knew Plame worked for the CIA? Her children presented her on "What mommy does for work Day": "Our Daddy is a commie Bush hater, and our Mommy works for the CIA on weaponzonz proliferations."

I long ago filed "leak-gate" away in the same round file as "Whitewater", "Filegate", "Travelgate", "Memogate", The Vince Foster "murder", etc....

The only thing that the appointment of a special prosecutor usually will accomplish is the spending of $50,000,000 tax payer dollars to discover an immoral political blowjob of some type....

Once we start ignoring the dirty political sniping...perhaps it will stop? Or at least we could accomplish the great feat of not spending $50,000,000 to look under the President's desk?

I've seen this kind of equivalency talk quite a bit on this here board. Sometimes it takes the form: "Oh, Al Franken is just as bad as Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter."

Such comparisons attempt to boast plausibility by introducing topics, characters, and events that really were shameful/stupid/unnecessary.

Edited by Lisa Simpson: 

Edited to remove personal remark

Frankly, I don't generally have a problem with leaks, especially when it comes to exposing something dealing with spying (as in the NSA revelation). But there's a difference between a whistleblower and a political campaign to smear an administration critic by talking **** about this wife. Worse, this Republican White House resorted to the nastiest kind of attacks when it came to undermining their central issue: national security.

Now, far be it from me to resort to Coulter-like hypotheticals, but had a Democrat done something remotely similar we would have heard the term "treasonous" thrown around a lot more (in fact this happened during the Clinton presidency in relation to China).

I wonder... what would this Bush administration have to do to earn anything beyond a mild rebuke from you, Rikzilla? (Or any of the other apologists on this board). Surely this cartoon Jihad cannot distract your attention forever. Would they have to threaten our civil liberties, run up the national debt, bungle an occupation (at the cost of a fiscally crazy 1+ trillion dollars in the long term), attack science and scientists?

Cain, obviously you are perfectly aware that you are digressing from the topic into personal attacks (since you even labelled the personal remark as "off-topic".) Please stop this and stick to the topic only.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

 

[rikzilla]

Gee, the VP outing a covert CIA agent whose covert status was critical in tracking who might be trying to buy components for a dirty bomb is a lot different from any of your laundry list of past Republican flights of investigatory fancy.

Or for that matter, it's a lot different than the VP outing a covert CIA agent even if she weren't involved in what I described.

Not only is it illegal, but Jesus, don't you care?!?

Why of course I don't care!! Didn't that come through?? I don't care!

She and her husband decided to use their positions within the government to play politics in the deep end of the pool. A place where sharks regularly salt the water with the bones of crusaders.

We all know that this was not about compromising national security. It was about political hatchet-wielding and blood letting. Dirty and nasty? Of course but I have been in DC since '92 and I've seen worse. This doesn't even make the top ten. Certainly no bodies have turned up at Fort Marcy, or Rock Creek Park. There have been no mass firings...there has been no quantifiable damage to the national security. No Congressional check kiting scandals. No $50,000,0000 worth of presidential "head" hunting...

hgc...I doubt this one even makes a dent in the DC top 20 since I've been here. DC is an endless parade of scandal and investigation followed by repentance, reform, and then scandal. An endless loop of time wasting, money squandering, and muck raking. Somewhere I'm sure are cadres of politically motivated true believers keeping a cherry-picked scorecard of gotcha points. I leave you to it. See? I really don't care! Same old (rule8); different day.

-z

 

[hgc]

Why of course I don't care!! Didn't that come through?? I don't care!
...
-z

Duly noted.

 

[rikzilla]

For shame, Dave. Don't you realize that everyone already knew Plame worked for the CIA? Her children presented her on "What mommy does for work Day": "Our Daddy is a commie Bush hater, and our Mommy works for the CIA on weaponzonz proliferations."

Straw is flamable...take care.

I've seen this kind of equivalency talk quite a bit on this here board. Sometimes it takes the form: "Oh, Al Franken is just as bad as Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter."

Yeah like; "Xtians are just as dangerous as the Muslims" or "The US brought 9/11 on itself" or "Islam is a religion of peace" or "Bush is more dangerous than Islamic terrorists"...gee when it comes to moral equivalency you're right...I can't hold a candle to you serious leftistas. The Christerrightwingnuts are in their own way even worse...but you're both cut from the same stuff. Critical thinking is supposed to cut through this kind of self-delusion...but you seem immune.

Blinkered imbeciles who fanatically cling to the righteousness of the Cause and infallibility political heros as they frantically demonize the opposition. Well I've seen it all before Cain. The Plame affair is a non-starter as far as political shenanigans goes. It damaged "national security" far less than blowing up a foreign asprin factory in order to distract tv coverage from an impeachment did. :bah:

Such comparisons attempt to boast plausibility by introducing topics, characters, and events that really were shameful/stupid/unnecessary. (Off-topic note: this is a favorite strategy of our bumbling, fumbling FOC "Substantially Lacking" aka JJ).

Note from earth; Political mud-farming is always "shameful/stupid/unnecessary" this remains true no matter who is driving the tractor.

Frankly, I don't generally have a problem with leaks, especially when it comes to exposing something dealing with spying (as in the NSA revelation). But there's a difference between a whistleblower and a political campaign to smear an administration critic by talking **** about this wife. Worse, this Republican White House resorted to the nastiest kind of attacks when it came to undermining their central issue: national security.

Then you must have loved Linda. (You know "Linda" means "Beautiful" in Spanish)

Actually the biggest hit national security has taken recently was from the NYT article outting the secret NSA "googling" for terrorist chatter program. Calling it "wiretapping is a bit old fashioned don't you think? I have worked in the field of international communications for 25 years. I was with the Army Tech Control, rm 5A910 The Pentagon...then TRT, bought by Pac Bell, bought by IDB, bought by Worldcom, bankrupted into MCI, bought by VerizonBusiness. I know communications my friend...just like I know that what NSA is doing is not a "wiretap". The program was probably legal merely because it was an as yet undefined surveilance technique...the laws are woefully out of date on tech issues you know. You want damage to national security? There it is...far easier to quantify than the theoretical damage from Plame.

Now, far be it from me to resort to Coulter-like hypotheticals, but had a Democrat done something remotely similar we would have heard the term "treasonous" thrown around a lot more (in fact this happened during the Clinton presidency in relation to China).

This is the meme. Democrats sadly are the party of Jane Fonda...and remain staunchly so. The other side of the meme is that Republicans are mean spirited tyranical rights-thieves. Republicans sadly are the party of McCarthy...although they at least seem to be working on that image problem.

I wonder... what would this Bush administration have to do to earn anything beyond a mild rebuke from you, Rikzilla? (Or any of the other apologists on this board). Surely this cartoon Jihad cannot distract your attention forever. Would they have to threaten our civil liberties, run up the national debt, bungle an occupation (at the cost of a fiscally crazy 1+ trillion dollars in the long term), attack science and scientists?

They'd have to abandon the Iraqis to chaos and war. They'd have to give up fighting AQ. They'd have to have inferior ideas to the Democrats.

I have looked to the Dems for years now hoping that someone would emerge with new and better ways of fighting the WOT and bolstering the Iraqi and Afghan democracies. Yet all I get is anti-Bush noise. People like you Cain. People who have no better plan than; "We're not Bush!"

That dog won't hunt. Hillary knows it and I hope she will be the one Dem I can finally vote for and still sleep at night.
-z