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When Jesus does return will Christians even recognize him?

You know, one has to wonder why did the Sanhedrin need Judas to point out who is Jesus, if he was the only tall, blond, northern-white type guy in the middle of a bunch of middle-eastern fishermen and such from Galilee :p
 
You know, one has to wonder why did the Sanhedrin need Judas to point out who is Jesus, if he was the only tall, blond, northern-white type guy in the middle of a bunch of middle-eastern fishermen and such from Galilee :p



And pointing out did not suffice either, he had to kiss him too. You are right, it is all a gay play :p
 
Good spot, was meant to state "is circumcised". Although if a individual claiming to be Jesus was to appear tomorrow, is this truly one of the criteria which we would use to authenticate the individual's claims, and if so which individual or organization would be responsible for verifying this? This mainly has to do with many present day Christians opting out of this practice. While the majority of Jews and Muslims continue to adhere to this. Link
Nothing "opting out". Abolished the practice. Paul wanted to sell Christianity to Romans and Greeks, and they abhorred circumcision. Likewise, Paul abolished the dietary laws.


*One thing to note, though this practice has in recent years come under heavy scrutiny and criticism, it seems that the Health benefits of circumcision do outweigh the risks.
Only if you go by flawed studies that have been set up specifically to find such health effects in unlikely circumstances. You might want to peruse the various threads about circumcision on this forum.
 
But what is this talk of "when Jesus returns" anyway? The second coming already happened, in 1947, and he brought us with his 10 disciples a revolutionary style of football. I mean, come on, the initials are a dead giveaway. :)
 
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Ahem? Luke 2:21:
Tricky point. Colleague tsig was probably joking, but maybe so.

JC's got a new body now. John says Jesus retained some of his piercings so Tom the Skeptic would have something to see. Nothing about thorn cuts or the back half of Jesus' body flayed away. Some repair work seems to have been done.

So, scripture is silent about the possibly restored crowning glory of the divine Mr Happy.

On a point arising, from Hans (Congratulations, btw.)

You know, one has to wonder why did the Sanhedrin need Judas to point out who is Jesus, if he was the only tall, blond, northern-white type guy in the middle of a bunch of middle-eastern fishermen and such from Galilee
Franklin's law: all cats are gray in the dark.
 
To the OP:

Should Jesus return, I think we can assume that he (and his dad) will know how to make him recognized. I mean, that was how we are told it was done the first time.

Hans
 
ddt


Tricky point. Colleague tsig was probably joking, but maybe so.

JC's got a new body now. John says Jesus retained some of his piercings so Tom the Skeptic would have something to see. Nothing about thorn cuts or the back half of Jesus' body flayed away. Some repair work seems to have been done.

So, scripture is silent about the possibly restored crowning glory of the divine Mr Happy.
Oh sure, and I agree with you that there's nothing saying the Second Coming looks anything like the First. But the OP was painting the stereotypical picture of Jesus that Christians have. And I contend that most would know that Jesus was raised as a Jew and thus circumcised. At least, most Christians I know. :) There's nothing in Scripture about His hair colour or eye colour, so He could theoretically have had blond hair and blue eyes, but it does say specifically He was circumcised.
 
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but it does say specifically He was circumcised.
No question about that. The uncertainty would concern the character of the pneuma body, a central Chrsitain concept since as far back as we have records. One can only hope that Beetlejuice is not a glimpse of the world to come.

Most Christians worldwide also profess that Jesus' mother has bodily ascended. Thus, we have a parallel problem with Mary's hymen, also a long-time object of Christian religious concern. Perhaps as knowledge advances on that front, we will solve the riddle of the holy hat as well.
 
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Of course Jesus was circumcised. He was, after all, a Good American.
 
As I recall, JC's foreskin was a popular religious artifact during the Middle Ages, just like nails from cross and chunks of the cross itself.
Actually, there were more than a few of them...
I think it'll be quite easy to recognize the guy. He looks a lot like Mel Gibson.
 
But what is this talk of "when Jesus returns" anyway? The second coming already happened, in 1947, and he brought us with his 10 disciples a revolutionary style of football. I mean, come on, the initials are a dead giveaway. :)

Totally








... unsurprising that the Dutch would think so.
 
If he tried his table tipping in the Vatican he'd get skewered by a Swiss Guard.

Well, supposedly he did manage it in a temple courtyard the size of a few football fields put together, and which had a battalion of guards to prevent exactly that kind of thing. So I guess his kung-fu was strong.

On the other hand, the curious thing is that after supposedly attacking people with a scourge in John 3:15, "the Jews" (it's always "the Jews" with John, but Matt 21:15-16 makes some priest talk to him there; N.B., Mark 11:18 doesn't agree with Matt) just talk to him and let him go on his merry way.

Furthermore, here's an interesting bit that people seem to gloss over, especially those who come up with the kind of rationalization where a HJ attacks the temple and is arrested on the same evening for it. And I don't mean just the fact that he wouldn't even make bail, much less get to walk away and be arrested later, if he pulled that stunt.

But here's what Matt 26:55-56 has Jesus say at his arrest. My emphasis:


55. In that hour Jesus said to the crowd, “Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? Every day I sat in the temple courts teaching, and you did not arrest me.

56. But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled.”

Note that he doesn't say, "this afternoon I went back to the temple and sat teaching" or "nor yesterday [...]". He says, "every day". That implies at least a few days.

We're also told in Matt 21:12 (or at least it's implied) that Jesus went to the temple and cleared it first thing upon reaching Jerusalem. So whatever days he might have sat in the temple teaching, must have been after that.

And nobody thought to arrest him after the attack? For DAYS? He just goes back to the temple where everyone knows him, and nobody notices that? Even now he's only getting arrested because he has a prophecy to fulfil?

I dunno, man... it's... I dunno... as if there was no attack on the people in the temple courtyard at all.
 
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Only if you go by flawed studies that have been set up specifically to find such health effects in unlikely circumstances. You might want to peruse the various threads about circumcision on this forum.

Just making sure I have this clear. You dismiss the findings of the American Academy of Pediatrics in regards to this matter, but you readily accept claims from anonymous internet individuals?

Or are you claiming this this to be some type of conspiracy?
 
This article is from 12 years ago, but it's still relevant:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/forensics/1282186
So basically, Christians expecting him to look like Jim Caviezel will be sorely disappointed. Likewise, Christians expecting him to approve of the insane dogma they've based on his name will be disappointed. They'd probably crucify him again for good measure.


No, No.... that is probably what the treacherous Judas might have looked like, but we all know what Jesus looked like for sure. We have an undeniable perfectly preserved negative photographic record.
 
Although if a individual claiming to be Jesus was to appear tomorrow, is this truly one of the criteria which we would use to authenticate the individual's claims, and if so which individual or organization would be responsible for verifying this?

Several individuals have appeared who claim to be Jesus.

Personally, (although I am not a Christian) I don't believe any of them. Most Christians don't believe any of them either, although some of them do have followings.

I would propose to let James Randi authenticate the claim by seeing if he can perform a miracle under proper observation conditions. That's what separates Jesus from the rest of us, isn't it? Not mundane things like whether he is circumcised or eats pork or looks like a painting of what a certain artist imagined that Jesus looked like.

Anyone claiming to be Jesus who cannot perform a miracle, I would simply dismiss as another person among many with delusions.
 

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