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When did diplomacy ever work?

The recent build up and stand down of hostilities between India and Pakistan could be seen as an example of diplomacy working to avoid disaster. I know the US and the UK were involved in the behind the scenes negotiations and wouldn't be surprised if Russian and China were involved too.
 
Diplomacy really only works if both parties are evenly matched. Between leaders responsible for large republics (even socialist ones), it can work well.
Not really true. You shouldn't confuse the obvious fact that any diplomacy between nations of different power, will be influenced by the fact that the nations are in different weightclasses with diplomacy playing no role at all. Small nations still have options though, like navigating between different great powers or negotiate the level of conscesions they have to give. If this wasn't the case all small powers would behave simply as extensions of their more powerfull neighbours which clearly isn't the case.
 
In case of misunderstanding, I don't think diplomacy is a waste of time, in principle but I came across another "give diplomacy a chance" comment somewhere recently and I found myself testing my memory to the limits. Maybe it's my limits, but I came up with some rather uncomfortable answers, mainly when it didn't work.

Now it is obviously impossible to say what didn't happen would have happened if not for diplomacy, but I'm curious what really serious bad consequences had very likely been averted by diplomacy?

The cold war had lots of diplomacy, and probably we can say that it worked there, but the anomaly is that it worked under the concept of MAD, and between somewhat sane and evenly matched opponents. That applies to the Cuban missile crisis too.

Where it failed is more obvious, just to name a partial list.

WWI
WWII
Korean War
Iran/Iraq
Iraq/Kuwait
Jugoslavia/Bosnia etc.
Israel/Arabs
Iraq II
Afghanistan
Darfur

(edited: oops. Forgot the Falklands)


There have been more conflicts. Apologies to those missed, but these are prominent in terms of Western involvement where diplomacy is held to a higher esteem.

So, the question is: Can we identify any situations where the consequences of diplomacy clearly seemed to result in the prevention of major conflict, not to mention resolution of such conflict, before it occurs (not the peace after).

I'll suggest Iran and N Korea are in that process now, (but is there historical reason to think it will work?)

Libya worked, maybe, after a bombing or two.

India and Pakistan seems to be working, but at the expense of previous war.

Others?

Does diplomacy ever work? Let me construct the following hypothetical. Whenever one nation wants something from another nation they have absolutely no way of communicating this to the other nation. They must choose either to go in and take what they want by force, or live without it. Do you think such a world would be more or less peaceful(or just generally better or worse) than the current one? The answer to that question is also the answer to your question.
 
Perhaps the uneasy peace that existed between France and Britain after the Napoleonic Wars (I think that was the last major war between Britain & France)? That was two countries that had been at each other throats for about a 1000 years give or take a century.
I was thinking that, too. The Congress of Vienna, wasn't it?

ETA:
In the twentieth century, though, many historians have come to admire the statesmen at the Congress, whose work, it was said, had prevented another European general war for nearly a hundred years (1815-1914). Among these is Henry Kissinger, whose doctoral dissertation was on the Congress of Vienna. Prior to the opening of the Paris peace conference of 1918, the British Foreign Office commissioned a history of the Congress of Vienna to serve as an example for its own delegates to achieve an equally successful peace.
Link.
 
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I appreciate that, and I tried to say so in the OP, but just as an intellectual exercise, what examples do we have where it really did work and the consequences of failure could reasonably have been expected to be outright war?.

The Argentina and Brazil War that never happened is an excellent example. :) In the 1890s both were in an armaments race fueled by mutual suspicions over intentions regarding the region of the Rio de La Plata. English armaments and loans provided a build-up in tensions. At some point a Brazilian commercial ship was aprehended because it carried weapons upriver. The media on both sides of the border were screaming bloody murder, and residents of the border were accusing each other of violence and discrimination. No shot was fired because diplomats from both countries sat down and discussed the case. Both countries chose to believe that the hidden cargo was meant to some private individual in a farm somewhere and the war ended up never happening. For many decades on the mutual suspicions remained but the war is yet to happen.

Chile and Argentina also came very close to war during their military dictatorships of the 70s, 80s, over a territorial dispute in Tierra del Fuego.

Bolivia and Brazil also had a territorial dispute that involved separatist groups, a highly coveted natural resource (rubber), access to the Atlantic through the Amazon and an American chartered company. Troops on both sides. The diplomat that disentangled this situation, in 1903, became a national hero in Brazil, and it was well-deserved.

Brazil has borders with 10 nations, all of them politically unstable and for many decades under the hands of dictators. Brazil never initiated a war against them and worked to prevent wars from happening all over the Continent. The last one in South America ended in 1935.

No war is ever exclusively about those directly involved. The immediate neighbors all have vested interests and nowadays, more than ever, economical interests prevail and distant neighbors and multilateral organizations will try and interfere too. So, behind the scenes, diplomats of many nations work toward an outcome that favors their own nations - this could be the end of the war and the continuation of it. They can also cooperate and, from a neutral point of view, try and work out a solution that both nations will accept. Before any of that becomes public, much of that has already been agreed beforehand. When it finally goes public, it only changes if public opinion demands it (in democratic states, mostly).

Diplomacy can work both ways, also, like nations that prefer to watch their neighbors bleed to death before interfering. This was the behavior of England for the greater part of the 18c. It would only "wake up" if a nation threatened to reach hegemony in Europe.
 
The recent build up and stand down of hostilities between India and Pakistan could be seen as an example of diplomacy working to avoid disaster. I know the US and the UK were involved in the behind the scenes negotiations and wouldn't be surprised if Russian and China were involved too.

A great example. Hopefully they remain peaceful.

Also if we want to consider long term diplomacy how about US and UK? Best friends today, who would have thought that 200 years ago?
 
A great example. Hopefully they remain peaceful.

Also if we want to consider long term diplomacy how about US and UK? Best friends today, who would have thought that 200 years ago?

That is only true if you think that the normal state of affairs is war and that it takes an effort to avoid it. :) Once UK lost control of the US, it chose to focus in its other overseas colonies. No pressing national interest on both sides to initiate a war. Fortunataly, most of the time, national grievances are forgotten, specially if there are economic interests involved.
 
That is only true if you think that the normal state of affairs is war and that it takes an effort to avoid it. :) Once UK lost control of the US, it chose to focus in its other overseas colonies. No pressing national interest on both sides to initiate a war. Fortunataly, most of the time, national grievances are forgotten, specially if there are economic interests involved.

Sure, if you forget 1812.
 
Remember all that the military option is just an arm of deplomacy.

'Tis the stick.

Sometimes it's got to be used...or at least flexed a bit.

Deplomacy works best when both sides are looking for a way out.
 
Diplomacy is what led to the world as it is in regards to the remnants of the soviet union taking eastern europe, the red menace, the communist block, cold war arms buildup, etc. Thanks Joe Kennedy. Thanks Ike.

F Diplomacy.

Sorry for the bluntness, its the bourbon speaking. Diplomacy was the worst thing to affect the 20th century.
 
It was important to a lot of people back then to try diplomacy. The "war to end all wars" was still very recent in a lot of people's memory. It was called that name for a very good reason, modern warfare had shown itself to be an amazingly efficient and ruthless machine for killing millions of people to no good end. To not try diplomacy would have been insane.
Quite right. Just 21 years between 1918 and 1939. That's not even a generation.

Alongside that was the knowledge that the German people had suffered as much or more, so it seemed incomprehensible that they'd want another war any more than the British Commonwealth would.

The Japanese were a very different matter, of course.
 
How about the Cuban missile crisis as an example? Much show of force, but it was resolved without fighting.

I think I meantioned that, but I think it was really an incident, however scary (I remember) within the cold war between the USSR and the West (US) and as such part of the ongoing diplomacy in all that time.
 
Perhaps the uneasy peace that existed between France and Britain after the Napoleonic Wars (I think that was the last major war between Britain & France)? That was two countries that had been at each other throats for about a 1000 years give or take a century.

OK, but let's fast forward to stuff we might have had a chance to read about in the news.;)
 
The Argentina and Brazil War that never happened is an excellent example. :) snip....

Thanks for that update.

Actually there seem to be quite a lot of examples in South America. Belize, Guyana, Venezuela, Peru, Columbia and more...

However the actual conflicts that occurred, or not, were quite a while ago weren't they? Their significance being before the day of cruise missliles and so on. Diplomacy plays a role, but it is a lot easier for it to succeed when the parties are swatting mosquitos in the jungle while trying to figure out how many months it will take to bring their forces to bear, if you get my meaning.
 
Diplomacy is what led to the world as it is in regards to the remnants of the soviet union taking eastern europe, the red menace, the communist block, cold war arms buildup, etc. Thanks Joe Kennedy. Thanks Ike.

F Diplomacy.

Sorry for the bluntness, its the bourbon speaking. Diplomacy was the worst thing to affect the 20th century.

Interesting perspective, bourbon or not. However it could have been vodka you are sipping instead of bourbon if things had moved differently.
 
Not really true. You shouldn't confuse the obvious fact that any diplomacy between nations of different power, will be influenced by the fact that the nations are in different weightclasses with diplomacy playing no role at all. Small nations still have options though, like navigating between different great powers or negotiate the level of conscesions they have to give. If this wasn't the case all small powers would behave simply as extensions of their more powerfull neighbours which clearly isn't the case.

But doesn't that come around to the same thing? Patrons, UN groups and so on?

Where would N Korean diplomacy be today if it wasn't really between the US and China and perhaps the hangers on in Russia?
 

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