What's Wrong With Saul Alinsky?

Kid Eager said:
Is this intentional or accidental irony?
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As you quoted mhaze I accidentally read something of his that might, possibly, be relevant to the topic.

Is mhaze saying that a "community organizer" is synonymous with "following Saul Alinsky's politics"?

If so, it still doesn't quite get us what we are looking for which is, what specifically (except the fart-ins) does Newt Gingrich object to about Saul Alinsky?

Honestly, if you are going to convince anyone then instead of just chuckling about our self-proclaimed ignorance you might want to get the message out.

There's no point waiting until after losing the election to tell us that Saul Alinsky specifically advocated placing half the population in tumbrils and carting them off to the guillotine because your refusal to "educate for free" wouldn't win you any points and would probably be considered a reckless dereliction of your citizens' duty.
 
If you read up on the history of community organizing, it's nothing new or limited to any particular aspect of race, creed, or political bent. Whatshisname is just one of many in that history. He did give the label "community organizer" to a pre-existing role, though.
 
mhaze said:
Thus the "right" correctly describes the Bamster as a "ideologue" whose goal is the conversion of the US into a European style welfare state. And they correctly describe him as a "Alinsky style radical", and he is well understood to have used those concepts as a "community organizer".
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Reading the incoherent rantings of paranoid right-wingers with an overinflated sense of ego and intellect - Priceless
 
Kid Eager said:
If you read up on the history of community organizing, it's nothing new or limited to any particular aspect of race, creed, or political bent. Whatshisname is just one of many in that history. He did give the label "community organizer" to a pre-existing role, though.
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Exactly. And so it stands today.

angrysoba said:
......Honestly, if you are going to convince anyone then instead of just chuckling about our self-proclaimed ignorance you might want to get the message out.

There's no point waiting until after losing the election to tell us that Saul Alinsky specifically advocated placing half the population in tumbrils and carting them off to the guillotine because your refusal to "educate for free" wouldn't win you any points and would probably be considered a reckless dereliction of your citizens' duty.
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On this matter I refer you to Alinsky's own writing in the above mentioned chapter, subsection "ego" and "self interest".

Your premise of selfless behavior motivated through fear of guilt, is the very sort of lofty wordage that Alinsky noted was often subtefuge for personal selfish interest.

Namely, you want others to do your work for you, and feed you things to believe (or in the case of a conservative to argue against).

Hows that little game working fer ya, dude? And who am I talking to, the human or the slug riding on your back and controlling your mind? I'll have to report you to the Old Man. :)
 
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mhaze said:
On this matter I refer you to Alinsky's own writing in the above mentioned chapter, subsection "ego" and "self interest".

Your premise of selfless behavior motivated through fear of guilt, is the very sort of lofty wordage that Alinsky noted was often subtefuge for personal selfish interest.

Namely, you want others to do your work for you, and feed you things to believe (or in the case of a conservative to argue against).

Hows that little game working fer ya, dude?

:)
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hmmm... must be reading from a script for "Yes, Minister"..... so many words and so little content.
 
Kid Eager said:
hmmm... must be reading from a script for "Yes, Minister"..... so many words and so little content.
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Wow! Coherence and sanity thrown to the winds!

Not you, Kid Eager. The person you are quoting seems to be imagine some kind of persecution for holding lofty principles. The only "lofty principle" he keeps congratulating himself for is that he will neither leave nor contribute to the discussion on a topic he considers himself to be well-versed in.
 
Wow! This is the fifth page now and we are still no closer to understanding how Newt Gingrich has fired up his supporters by linking Obama to Saul Alinsky. It's all a big secret apparently.

It's almost as if those supporters are being ridden by a big slug controlling their minds. (I now realize just how apt was that imagery mhaze provided).
 
mhaze said:
Hows that little game working fer ya, dude? And who am I talking to, the human or the slug riding on your back and controlling your mind?* I'll have to report you to the Old Man. :)
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* I cheated and read him while he was on ignore but who is the slug and who is being ridden by a mind-controlling slug?

Would mhaze be free from slavishly repeating the latest Republican dogma if we sprinkled salt on Newt Gingrich?
 
I just noticed and interesting effect in play - Mhaze going back and amending his post and quoting additional posts over an hour after the original - some post-hoc rationalisation at work?

Oh, and apparently the word "exactly" is what you use when something quoted contradicts a previous claim you've made...

Well this has been fun - but alas life is too short to waste time on lonely interwebz randoms with inflated beliefs in their own competency. To ignore you go...
 
mhaze said:
Thus the "right" correctly describes the Bamster as a "ideologue" whose goal is the conversion of the US into a European style welfare state. And they correctly describe him as a "Alinsky style radical", and he is well understood to have used those concepts as a "community organizer".
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Wait.......was that supposed to be a knock on Obama? Sounds more like a selling point to me. Thanks for that mhaze.

I mean I could go for some European style welfare state action. At least then we'd have good roads and health care for all. We'd even still have loads of profitable capitalism going down thanks to the high social stability.
 
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angrysoba said:
Wow! This is the fifth page now and we are still no closer to understanding how Newt Gingrich has fired up his supporters by linking Obama to Saul Alinsky. It's all a big secret apparently.
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And I'm still not sure whether **** or get off the pot is antithetical to Alinskyite tactics or avoiding ******* or getting off the pot is itself an Alinskyite tactic. :confused:
 
I think the basic problem here is that invoking Alinsky is ineffectual with people that don't want to burn anyone at the stake that sounds a bit too foreign or socialist.
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
And I'm still not sure whether **** or get off the pot is antithetical to Alinskyite tactics or avoiding ******* or getting off the pot is itself an Alinskyite tactic. :confused:
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And you won't know until you chose a position, at which point you will be judged wrong in your choice. This is known as the Mhaze's Cat paradox...
 
angrysoba said:
* I cheated and read him while he was on ignore but who is the slug and who is being ridden by a mind-controlling slug?
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Huh? That's the book you have the image of. Please don't tell me now you know as little about The Puppet Masters as Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.


Kid Eager said:
hmmm... must be reading from a script for "Yes, Minister"..... so many words and so little content.
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Nope. The response is as noted earlier from Alinsky's book, chapter previously cited, subsection on "Ego" and "self interest".

Angrysoba:
There's no point waiting until after losing the election to tell us that Saul Alinsky specifically advocated placing half the population in tumbrils and carting them off to the guillotine because your refusal to "educate for free" wouldn't win you any points and would probably be considered a reckless dereliction of your citizens' duty.

Mhaze:
On this matter I refer you to Alinsky's own writing in the above mentioned chapter, subsection "ego" and "self interest". Your premise of selfless behavior motivated through fear of guilt, is the very sort of lofty wordage that Alinsky noted was often subtefuge for personal selfish interest.
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That the ignorant posters may be no closer to answering the question as to the accuracy of Gingrich's characterization of the Bamster as an Alinsky radical isn't my fault.
 
The fact that you're no closer to answering the thread's question as to the accuracy of Gingrich's characterization of President Obama as an Alinsky radical, however, is.
 
ANTPogo said:
The fact that you're no closer to answering the thread's question as to the accuracy of Gingrich's characterization of President Obama as an Alinsky radical, however, is.
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But I've been totally open about my intentions in my posts, namely a willingness to discuss the book which contains the answer, and no willingness to "give out the answer".

Very un-BAC like.
 
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