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What is Truth?

Two interesting things about Joyce's Finnegan's Wake...

If you read out loud what he wrote exactly as he's written it, you'll have a remarkable Irish accent.

In reply to someone who had said that he didn't understand Finnegan's Wake, Joyce replied,

"It took me seventeen years to write it, and it should take you seventeen years to read it."

or something close to that.

Time like that for reading Joyce is worthwhile. Some of the posters on this forum, however...
 
Iacchus said:
The truth is all that exists after you stop believing, not to mention all that's entailed in the nature of your beliefs.
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This is quite a different definition for truth than you gave earlier. Not only different, but incompatible with that earlier definition. So are you going to continue to run away, or will you answer the question in the way that you have indicated is the nature of truth?

Iacchus said:
Yes, truth is a yes or no propostion. Now, as far as ascertaining that truth, that's another story.
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Then answer the question, Iacchus. I am not asking that it be correct. I am just asking you for your yes-or-no evaluation of the truth of this statement: Killing another living thing is wrong.

Iacchus said:
Unless of course you are willing to admit the reality we all experience is not all-inclusive ... like the truth.
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What? Truth is not "all-inclusive"? That can only mean that there are things that are neither true nor false, which is in direct contradiction to your earlier statement. So were you lying then, or are you lying now? Or both?
 
Tricky said:
This is quite a different definition for truth than you gave earlier. Not only different, but incompatible with that earlier definition. So are you going to continue to run away, or will you answer the question in the way that you have indicated is the nature of truth?
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Nonsense.

Then answer the question, Iacchus. I am not asking that it be correct. I am just asking you for your yes-or-no evaluation of the truth of this statement: Killing another living thing is wrong.
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And I can't answer it, not unless I knew the truth of all the circumstances. Which, in many cases (most?) is not possible, because I am not God.

What? Truth is not "all-inclusive"? That can only mean that there are things that are neither true nor false, which is in direct contradiction to your earlier statement. So were you lying then, or are you lying now? Or both?
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Not so.
 
Iacchus said:
And I can't answer it, not unless I knew the truth of all the circumstances. Which, in many cases (most?) is not possible, because I am not God.
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Then since you are not God, how is it you manage to assert that truth is a yes-or-no proposition? All you know and all you can know is contengent truth. That is why your "digital logic" statement is so blindingly stupid. You assert that which you admit you do not know.

And this is not (by a long shot) the first time Iacchus. This is your modus operandi. This is the reason that you are universally regarded as a joke, a troll or an idiot here. Now I happen to believe you are not an idiot, but that you are just so enamored of your own words and pseudo-intellectuality that you are prone to making blindingly stupid statements without thinking them through at all. And to compound matters, when challenged (like I have done here) you don't back off and say, "maybe I should think about that some more", you try to defend the stupid statement with an increasingly frantic series of misdirections which, more often than not, conflict with the statement you are trying to defend.

Think about what you are saying, Iacchus. Don't post your random synaptic misfirings without thinking about them, because they will come back to bite you on the butt. Don't choose to play a fool. If you will think about what you say, you'll have a lot more people who respect what you say. Wouldn't that be better?

Consider it.
 
Tricky said:
Then answer the question, Iacchus. I am not asking that it be correct. I am just asking you for your yes-or-no evaluation of the truth of this statement: Killing another living thing is wrong.
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The thing that is wrong, and becomes "a lie," however, is taking something out of context.
 
Iacchus said:
The thing that is wrong, and becomes "a lie," however, is taking something out of context.
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Have you ever taken something somebody posted, focussed on one word and then gone on a totally out-of-context diversion? (Hint: The correct answer is "yes". I can provide examples if you like.) Were you wrong and lying?

So be careful what you define as "wrong", Iacchus. You will be hoist by your own petard.
 
Tricky said:
Then since you are not God, how is it you manage to assert that truth is a yes-or-no proposition? All you know and all you can know is contengent truth. That is why your "digital logic" statement is so blindingly stupid. You assert that which you admit you do not know.
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Are you suggesting you don't know anything either?

And this is not (by a long shot) the first time Iacchus. This is your modus operandi. This is the reason that you are universally regarded as a joke, a troll or an idiot here. Now I happen to believe you are not an idiot, but that you are just so enamored of your own words and pseudo-intellectuality that you are prone to making blindingly stupid statements without thinking them through at all.
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Universally huh? Boy, look at that. ;)

And to compound matters, when challenged (like I have done here) you don't back off and say, "maybe I should think about that some more", you try to defend the stupid statement with an increasingly frantic series of misdirections which, more often than not, conflict with the statement you are trying to defend.
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If you are trying to make a point here, you are asking me to respond in terms of a yes or no answer, are you not?

Think about what you are saying, Iacchus. Don't post your random synaptic misfirings without thinking about them, because they will come back to bite you on the butt. Don't choose to play a fool. If you will think about what you say, you'll have a lot more people who respect what you say. Wouldn't that be better?
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No.

Consider it.
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Consider the source? Yes. :D
 
Tricky said:
Have you ever taken something somebody posted, focussed on one word and then gone on a totally out-of-context diversion? (Hint: The correct answer is "yes". I can provide examples if you like.) Were you wrong and lying?
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Or, maybe I've been following your example all along?

So be careful what you define as "wrong", Iacchus. You will be hoist by your own petard.
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You are wrong.
 
Tricky said:
Then since you are not God, how is it you manage to assert that truth is a yes-or-no proposition? All you know and all you can know is contengent truth. That is why your "digital logic" statement is so blindingly stupid. You assert that which you admit you do not know.
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So, if I was twenty feet away from getting run over and crushed by a bus, does that mean I shouldn't attempt to jump out of the way? Or, should I just stand there looking stupid, and act like nothing was going to happen?
 
Whoa! ... Check this out!

We see revealed by logic and reason, that whether or not something or nothing exists, truth still remains. Which pretty much means that your entire reality either depends upon or requires truth to exist or not exist. Which pretty much makes truth the monistic principle of all reality to every human being, and subsequently makes it the greatest conception a man could ever possibly achieve, since everything else you can conceive to exist or not exist either requires, or depends upon truth to become conformed to reality.
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This is funny! :D

Well people have surely believed in all sorts of things throughout history. Are you suggesting you believe in a flying spaghetti monster? Or that one exists? Perhaps you could provide some reasonable, logical basis for establishing the belief in a flying spaghetti monster? I should just point out to you that whether or not your flying spaghetti monster exists, or does not exist, it will remain subject to my God, Truth, either way, and therefore your "flying spaghetti monster" could not really be God, because he is a far inferior conception then my God, primarily because your "flying spaghetti monster, either requires or depends upon my God, Truth, regardless, and that is just a fact of logical, reasoned, reality.
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AnotherSillyAlias said:
Shiraz, although originating in some strange place like Iran or somewhere similar, is a peculiarly Australian wine specialty.
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A myth, though long believed. The Syrah is a Rhodanian grape, a cross between the white Mondeuse (itself often called 'Persanne', though it is native of the Savoie) and the little known Dureza.
 
Nick Bogaerts said:
A myth, though long believed. The Syrah is a Rhodanian grape, a cross between the white Mondeuse (itself often called 'Persanne', though it is native of the Savoie) and the little known Dureza.
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Regardless, I bet it goes good with a plate of the flying spaghetti monster. ;)
 
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Iacchus said:
From: The Wine of the Holy Supper
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KEPhALH ChiOm
The Way to Succeed - And the Way to Suck Eggs!​
This is the Holy Hexagram.
Plunge from the height, O God, and interlock with Man!
Plunger from height, O Man, and interlock with Beast!
The Red Triangle is the descending tounge of grace; the Blue Triangle is the ascending tounge of prayer.
This Interchange, the Double Gift of Tounges, the Word of Double Prayer - ABRAHADABRA - is the sign of the GREAT WORK, for the GREAT WORK is accomplished in silence. And behold is not that Word equal to Cheth, that is Cancer. whose Sigil is (astrological symbol for Cancer)?
This Work also eats up itself, accomplishes its own end, nourishes the worker, leaves no seed, is perfect in itself.
Little children, love one another
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ibid Ch. 69
 
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