What is Perfection?

Esther said:

Slowly Mr. Iacchus. I had to look at the dictionnary for the word "expediency", remember, please, that I have hardly graduated school. Ok. If we are talking about expediency and convenience, can we seriously talk about an "intelligent design"?
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Sure you can, because the design is written all over the designer's pockets.


Am I? Oh my. Please, please, please, be a bit more specific for my sake. :)
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When we begin to speak of truth, is it merely relative or, is there something more basic and intrinsic than that? When we speak of truth, is it more relative to the notion of perfection, or less?


Very nice avatar. I love dolphins.:)
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Thanks. They seem very childlike and happy-go-lucky. :)
 
Marquis de Carabas said:

I think it mostly has to do with today's stage being over and me being nowhere near my xbox, but take it for what you will, Cap'n.
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Nothing better to do in other words, huh? ;)
 
Marquis de Carabas said:

Yours. Mine's perfect.
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Well, mine's always been a little on the uncertain side. However, that suits me. Neither did I expect anyone to roll out the welcome mat by the way. So, whatever.
 
per·fec·tion Audio pronunciation of "perfection" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-fkshn)
n.

1. The quality or condition of being perfect.
2. The act or process of perfecting: Perfection of the invention took years.
3. A person or thing considered to be perfect.
4. An instance of excellence.
 
Iacchus said:
Sure you can, because the design is written all over the designer's pockets.
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I didn't get this but it's ok let's move forward.

When we begin to speak of truth, is it merely relative or, is there something more basic and intrinsic than that?
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If truth is relative Mr. Iacchus why we bother to spend time in philosophy? Some philosophers claim that truth is relative but the most brave ones do not. Brave philosophers are my people. I am not interested in the relative truth. :)
When we speak of truth, is it more relative to the notion of perfection, or less?
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I believe that you must separate truth from perfection because perfection _is_relative for sure. I, for example, am very fat and not very pretty but I work with people that enjoy the company of very fat and ugly women and believe me that I am very good in what I am doing, I am perfect in my job! Which is the truth here and how can you talk about perfection? I think that you try to accomodate all your basic ideas in a tiny box. If this is the case would people be interested in philosophy? I say that they wouldn't. :)
Thanks. They seem very childlike and happy-go-lucky. :)
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Dophins are very erotic so they cannot be childlike. They are perfect in their symbolism and this very symbolism has a lot of absolute truth in it. ;)
 
Perfection is the absoluteness which holds the Universe together. You can call it Universal Truth too if you will. ;)
 
That Universal truth is equaly true and equaly false.

Is a person that is born with a neurological defect perfect, just because they are meant to fracture thier bones and live in pain.

The existance of suffering is perfect?

PS the something that might or might not exist is not holding the universe together, the rate of expansion is acelerating.
 
There are varying degrees of suffering. I've suffered as much as anyone else. So what?
 
Iacchus said:
There are varying degrees of suffering. I've suffered as much as anyone else. So what?
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Have you? I know mothers who have lost infants, under circumstances I really would not want to get into, but which bring me to tears even now....have you suffered as much as they? A relative had cancer of the tongue, and had it removed...have you suffered as she has? I have lost students of mine through cancer, after long, horrible battles. Have you suffered as much as they have?

If you have...you have my respect, and my admiration, my condolances, and my apologies for implying otherwise. I just have seen too many people claim suffering who really have no right to. Sorry, it is just something that I must respond to--it is not you.

I myself can complain as much as anyone...but when I think of people like these...no, I have not suffered. Not at all. I am luckier by far than I deserve...even if I occasionally will curse time and space itself for being between me and my desires. Yeah, there are varying degrees of suffering. I truly, honestly wish and hope that you have not, in fact, suffered as much as anyone else. I would not wish that on my worst enemy.
 
Mercutio said:
Iacchus said:
There are varying degrees of suffering. I've suffered as much as anyone else. So what?
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Have you? I know mothers who have lost infants,
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So have I, Iacchus, buddy... :a2:

While it's tragic, you had better have something pretty damn more like "suffering" than what you wrote in your manifesto if you want to play the martyr with me.
 
Piscivore said:

So have I, Iacchus, buddy... :a2:

While it's tragic, you had better have something pretty damn more like "suffering" than what you wrote in your manifesto if you want to play the martyr with me.
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Do you mean like the blood sucking tick you peel off your flesh? Unfortunately Cousin Pentheus didn't learn his lesson either. King Lycurgus didn't fare too well either for that matter.
 
Iacchus said:
Do you mean like the blood sucking tick you peel off your flesh? Unfortunately Cousin Pentheus didn't learn his lesson either. King Lycurgus didn't fare too well either for that matter.
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No, you colossal fool, I'm talking about real horrors that happened to real people, not you torturing a cat to death or getting dissed by a church leader. And then trying to hammer these events to fit your version of an ancient myth to make yourself the "hero" of these encounters.

Why don't you talk to me about your "suffering" after you've made a visit to the mortuary on behalf of one of your children, dumba$$.

I'm really sorry you've had a hard time of your life, but you know nothing of pain. You've not lived enough for that.

Poser.
 
Well, if it happens to you, and they've got you locked up in a mental ward, you might understand what I'm talking about if, you're fortunate enough to sort things out later.
 
Iacchus said:
Well, if it happens to you, and they've got you locked up in a mental ward, you might understand what I'm talking about if, you're fortunate enough to sort things out later.
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If what "happens to you"? Having a child die? It did happen to me, fool.
 
I agree with Mr. Iacchus. Suffering is very subjective and none can really claims that he or she has experienced the ultimate suffering. I have met people who lost kids, others who lost relatives from cancer and I have seen the pain of people that suffer mental illnesses and they are aware of it.

I took a look at your book Iacchus, it shows that you are a person of great sensitivity, if you were French and lived in France you would be nominated for the Nobel Award, I bet on that. ;)

Your case remains a problem to me though. I cannot tune to your random thoughts. But it's ok. We are all fruits.
 
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