What if evolution is (the) intelligent (designer)?

Myriad

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I've put this in this forum because it is largely concerned with an arbitrary (but, I believe, defensible) definition of "intelligence."

I've been looking for a reasonable definition of intelligence that does not depend on demonstration of the ability to communicate with humans. This is what I've arrived at:

Intelligence (operational definition) as a characteristic of a process: the demonstration of the process's ability to act in favor of self-preservation by counteracting, with novel responses, novel external threats to the continuation of the process.

The crux of the definition is the idea of effective novel responses to novel external signals from (that is, changes in) its environment. The emphasis on self-preservation and "threats" is to distinguish "effective" novel behavior from, say, random behavior. In order to speak of the effectiveness of a reaction to an external event, we must posit some goal on the part of the system doing the reacting. This presents difficulties. We cannot say for certain that anything (except our individual selves) experiences goals as conscious intentions or desires, nor that such experience is causally significant even when it occurs. Nor does the observation of behavior consistently producing a certain effect (such as orbiting around another body in space) imply that it's reasonable to describe the effect produced as a goal.

Self-preservation, though, is at least a likely goal, at least some of the time, of any process or being we would describe as intelligent. If we attempt to imagine system that's intelligent (by traditional meanings of the word), without self-preserving behavior, it seems to lead to contradictions. For instance, we can imagine taking a supposedly intelligent being, such as a person, and put it into an unfamiliar environment containing mortal hazards (let's say, pits). For various reasons, the being might move in a straight line until it falls into a pit, or blunder around at random until it falls into a pit. Perhaps it panics, or it is unable to sense the pits, or it is unable to understand that the pits are hazardous. That does not prove the being is not intelligent, but it does mean that it has not demonstrated its intelligence in this particular case. A being that never exhibitied self-preserving behavior could never demonstrate its intelligence in any such test, and that would call into serious question the notion that it was intelligent in the first place.

Therefore, while self-preservation might not be appropriate for any fully satisfying philosohpical definition of intelligence, it might be the best way available to distinguish intelligence for an operational definition.

Demonstrating self-preservation doesn't require that intelligent agents must always be observed to act in favor of self-preservation, only that they demonstrate the capability of doing so. Nor does it require the attribution of conscious desire or intention. In other words, when we see among a system's novel responses to novel external signals, an overall trend of responses favoring the system's self-preservation, that's sufficient to surmise "intelligence" by this definition.

Evolution:
- Generates novel responses to novel signals from the earth's environment, in the form of new genomes and creatures.
- Responds to novel situations in a manner that promotes the continuation of the process, by diversifying and disseminating the living populations in which the process occurs.

But on a nuts and bolts level, is it reasonable to consider evolution as a potentially intelligent system? Does evolution have the types of "components" we might expect to see in a system capable of intelligence? The answer, I propose, is a definite yes.

The human nervous system is our only definitive example of an intelligent system, but it's generally accepted that computer systems are theoretically capable of intelligent (by common definitions) behavior. Computing theory then tells us that a great number of other systems whose behaviors embody certain sets of rules, all proven computationally equivalent to computers, must then share this same theoretical capability.

What do all these systems have in common?

1. Memory; the ability to preserve symbols or patterns for periods of time, and the ability of that stored information to influence the system's subsequent behavior.

2. The capability of propagating stable patterns from one part of the sytem to another.

3. Nonlinear amplification, by which the effect of a component on the system (the component's outputs) can exhibit a threshold response in relation to the effects of other parts of the system on a component (the component's inputs).

In evolution, #1 is accomplished by genomes; #2 is accomplished by protein machinery at all levels including whole organisms; and #3 is accomplished by selection, the threshold output being whether an organism succeeds in reproducing.

Skeptical criticism, please.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
The mathematical foundations for evolution are fairly well understood -- search for "gradient descent", especially with regards to neural networks used for pattern recognition. They even use a technique called "simulated annealing", wherein a population, "trapped" in a local minima such that the randomness of genetic mutation + crossover cannot find an adaptation capable of escaping that pit (representing the fitness at near that point) to another deeper slope.

This demonstrates evolution is a computational heuristic, that generates "good" results, but is not guaranteed to find the "best" results, nor to find what it finds in a particularly optimal fashion.

"Intelligent design", of course, could leap around this fitness space (think the good old grid plane with dents of heavy steel balls in it) without having to search an inch at a time, more or less going downhill.

Important Observation: Life appears to have developed features based on earlier, modified features. Wings, fins, and arms and legs all appear to be the same basic design, heavily modified. Evolution explains this. Intelligent design does not (necessarily.) If wings were to be designed, why make them appear as if they are the same basic design as arms and legs? And for both, why fins? Wouldn't you use a different design of bones?

Important Observation 2: The religious must therefore suppose that this is the best possible design for a wing, arm, leg, and fin. But this is treading on thin ice, and is definitely begging the question by assuming that which you are looking for evidince for.

There are myriad examples of things evolution effortlessly explains that intelligent design does not. Here's one I came up with I've never seen anywhere: If the human tailbone is necessary and well-designed, why is it a bunch of fused, degenerate vertebra rather than a single, solid bone process? And if a segmented structure is necessary, again, isn't a direct segmentation better than degenerate vertebra? And we won't even get into what's the intelligent part about putting the remnants of a tail in the DNA, but in a disabled portion (which on rare mutations gets re-enabled, generating a small, deformed tail on a human body.) This is in there in every human. Why?
 
This demonstrates evolution is a computational heuristic, that generates "good" results, but is not guaranteed to find the "best" results, nor to find what it finds in a particularly optimal fashion.

"Intelligent design", of course, could leap around this fitness space (think the good old grid plane with dents of heavy steel balls in it) without having to search an inch at a time, more or less going downhill.

I'm not so sure of that. All known intelligent designers have limitations. The existence of inherent limitations in evolutionary products is not proof that the process is not intelligent. Human-designed things tend to only advance in increments too, most of the time, and in many cases where a "leap" appears to have occurred, it can be traced to an already-developed idea having been transplanted from a different discipline.

There's also the question of time scale. If you observe the results of evolution at million-year intervals, it certainly appears to be leaping around the fitness space. If you could observe the thought processes of a human designer at 10-millisecond intervals, you might only perceive slow processes down gradients with occasional random repositionings a la simulated annealing.

Important Observation: Life appears to have developed features based on earlier, modified features. Wings, fins, and arms and legs all appear to be the same basic design, heavily modified. Evolution explains this. Intelligent design does not (necessarily.) If wings were to be designed, why make them appear as if they are the same basic design as arms and legs? And for both, why fins? Wouldn't you use a different design of bones?

Because they evolved.

Important Observation 2: The religious must therefore suppose that this is the best possible design for a wing, arm, leg, and fin. But this is treading on thin ice, and is definitely begging the question by assuming that which you are looking for evidince for.

There are myriad examples of things evolution effortlessly explains that intelligent design does not. Here's one I came up with I've never seen anywhere: If the human tailbone is necessary and well-designed, why is it a bunch of fused, degenerate vertebra rather than a single, solid bone process? And if a segmented structure is necessary, again, isn't a direct segmentation better than degenerate vertebra? And we won't even get into what's the intelligent part about putting the remnants of a tail in the DNA, but in a disabled portion (which on rare mutations gets re-enabled, generating a small, deformed tail on a human body.) This is in there in every human. Why?

Because they evolved.

It appears I've failed to convey the basic hypothesis I'm suggesting. I'm not saying that some deity or other external intelligence "made" evolution happen, or designed all the species and then made it look like evolution did it. I'm saying that evolution happened, exactly as modern biological science describes it. To that I'm adding the suggestion that this evolutionary process, exactly as modern biological science describes it, might meet a reasonable definition of intelligent.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
It appears I've failed to convey the basic hypothesis I'm suggesting. I'm not saying that some deity or other external intelligence "made" evolution happen, or designed all the species and then made it look like evolution did it. I'm saying that evolution happened, exactly as modern biological science describes it. To that I'm adding the suggestion that this evolutionary process, exactly as modern biological science describes it, might meet a reasonable definition of intelligent.

Respectfully,
Myriad

The problem with your hypothesis is that evolution looks the same whether it is intelligent or not. Why leap to the latter conclusion over the former?
 
I suppose it might meet a reasonable definition of 'intelligent'. Which I think is a hint that our definition is a little too loose, as we already know that evolution is not intelligent.

I presume that what you really want to discuss is the definition of intelligence, rather than the intelligence (or lack of) in evolution. Am I correct?
 
What's so intelligent about evolution?

Oh dear. Are you sure you cannot come up with a more specific critical question? My entire OP was an attempt to address that very question.

Let me repeat the basic ideas:

The BEHAVIOR of evolution is similar to the BEHAVIOR of known intelligent entitities in that:
- Novel signals from the environment result in novel behavior.
- Such novel behavior promotes the continuation of the process.

The UNDERLYING PROCESS of evolution is similar to the UNDERLYING PROCESSES supporting all known and widely-hypothesized-to-be-possible intelligent systems, in that:
- It stores information and accesses stored information.
- It is composed of computational elements in which each component's output either exceeds or fails to exceed a threshold based on the action of many inputs.

If your counterargument is that evolution cannot be intelligent because it is random, then you're making the same error as many Creationists. Variation is random but selection is an extraordinarily complex computation.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Oh dear. Are you sure you cannot come up with a more specific critical question? My entire OP was an attempt to address that very question.

Let me repeat the basic ideas:

The BEHAVIOR of evolution is similar to the BEHAVIOR of known intelligent entitities in that:
- Novel signals from the environment result in novel behavior.
- Such novel behavior promotes the continuation of the process.

The UNDERLYING PROCESS of evolution is similar to the UNDERLYING PROCESSES supporting all known and widely-hypothesized-to-be-possible intelligent systems, in that:
- It stores information and accesses stored information.
- It is composed of computational elements in which each component's output either exceeds or fails to exceed a threshold based on the action of many inputs.

If your counterargument is that evolution cannot be intelligent because it is random, then you're making the same error as many Creationists. Variation is random but selection is an extraordinarily complex computation.

Respectfully,
Myriad

See my reply above.
 
The problem with your hypothesis is that evolution looks the same whether it is intelligent or not. Why leap to the latter conclusion over the former?

The dumb answer is: that's why I posted this is the Philosophy forum.

A better answer might be: Between cybernetics and genetic engineering, it's conceivable that humanity might be confronted in the near future, if not within our own lifetimes, with issues requiring us to better define and understand the nature of intelligence. (That's without even mentioning SETI.) Working from two available examples, evo and human brains, instead of just one, might provide more insight than from just one.

But I'm not certain of that, of course. I don't know what utility, if any, the notion might have. It doesn't change our scientific understanding of evolution (though philosophical ideas about it might be affected), but I see some slight possibility of it affecting our understanding of intelligence, especially in the possibility of distinguishing intelligence in the absence of language.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
I suppose it might meet a reasonable definition of 'intelligent'. Which I think is a hint that our definition is a little too loose, as we already know that evolution is not intelligent.

I presume that what you really want to discuss is the definition of intelligence, rather than the intelligence (or lack of) in evolution. Am I correct?

I assume you meant "your" (that is to say, my) definition, as it's hardly authoritative.

But how do we know evolution is not intelligent? What test are you applying to reach that conclusion? (Hopefully not, "Because it's random.")

I'm fine with discussing either one. For instance, if I'm wrong in my understanding of how evolution works, let's set that straight. But for the most part, I think you're correct about this being mostly about the defintion. And that's certainly open for discussion.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
The dumb answer is: that's why I posted this is the Philosophy forum.

A better answer might be: Between cybernetics and genetic engineering, it's conceivable that humanity might be confronted in the near future, if not within our own lifetimes, with issues requiring us to better define and understand the nature of intelligence. (That's without even mentioning SETI.) Working from two available examples, evo and human brains, instead of just one, might provide more insight than from just one.

But I'm not certain of that, of course. I don't know what utility, if any, the notion might have. It doesn't change our scientific understanding of evolution (though philosophical ideas about it might be affected), but I see some slight possibility of it affecting our understanding of intelligence, especially in the possibility of distinguishing intelligence in the absence of language.

Respectfully,
Myriad

You are discussing the human UTILITY of intelligent evolution, not the evidence. I was asking how you could tell the difference between intelligent evolution and unintelligent evolution. If you can't then your hypothesis is unfalsifiable.
 
No, I meant our, to the extent that I was willing to buy into your definition as well.

But the definition sounds like it involves a black box. We see the inputs to and outputs from the box, and if the responses appear to be intelligent, we conclude there is intelligence.

In the case of evolution, we know what's in the box. And we know 'evolution' is not intelligent, because evolution is not a thing. Just like gravity and oxidation are not intelligent.

Actually, I probably shouldnt have weighed in at all, since these type of philosophical questions don't usually interest me too much. I was mostly just looking for a clarification of what the question really is, which you have provided.

Thanks! Carry on.
 
Given evolution's track record of extinctions and half-assed attempts at solutions, I hope not!
 
I assume you meant "your" (that is to say, my) definition, as it's hardly authoritative.

But how do we know evolution is not intelligent? What test are you applying to reach that conclusion? (Hopefully not, "Because it's random.")

The burden of proof is on you since you are making the positive claim.
 
Myriad- My 2 cents.

The argument hinges on defining intelligence as a characteristic of a process.
But of what process?

All the evidence suggests that intelligence is an emergent property of a physical, biochemical process.

Which physical process are you referring to as intelligent?

Evolution is not a physical process in this sense. There is no thinking (or even computational) mechanism. There is no memory. Evolution does not remember past errors, because lacking a goal or a direction , it is incapable of error by definition. ( Extinction is not an error, it's an output of the process. Errors are made by goal-oriented intelligence. There must be a desired outcome, before there can be error. )

Sometimes in this board I have seen stockmarkets represented as "intelligent" - but they are not. They are information processing systems, in the same sense that climate is. The inputs are human. that's the only difference.

Computers are intelligently designed. They (are said to) make errors when their output fails to meet the expectation of their designers. But these are errors in design or in programming. Within the tolerances of the system (BIGGIE) computers are deterministic. They do not have goals themselves, because they are precisely not intelligent. They process data , just like a storm does. We get confused about computers because both the input and the output are significant in human terms- just like the stock market. But there is no intelligence there.
Weather systems process similar amounts of information to computers and make no mistakes at all.
Likewise evolution.

To my view, evolution is supremely unintelligent. Dawkins' "Blind Watchmaker" if you like.

Never mind the mind. Show me the brain.
 
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Let me repeat the basic ideas:

The BEHAVIOR of evolution is similar to the BEHAVIOR of known intelligent entitities in that:
- Novel signals from the environment result in novel behavior.
- Such novel behavior promotes the continuation of the process.
Not according to our current (i.e. post-Darwin) understanding of how evolution works. It works by natural selection of inherited characteristics.

Changes in environmental conditions may result in certain behaviours being more favoured than what was previously the "standard" behaviour, in that individuals exhibiting those behaviours are able to produce more viable offspring than those of their peers. The next generation would then contain a higher proportion of individuals predisposed to exhibit those behaviours.
 
The BEHAVIOR of evolution is similar to the BEHAVIOR of known intelligent entitities in that:
- Novel signals from the environment result in novel behavior.
- Such novel behavior promotes the continuation of the process.

The UNDERLYING PROCESS of evolution is similar to the UNDERLYING PROCESSES supporting all known and widely-hypothesized-to-be-possible intelligent systems, in that:
- It stores information and accesses stored information.
- It is composed of computational elements in which each component's output either exceeds or fails to exceed a threshold based on the action of many inputs.

I can understand your dilemma completely.

It seems to me that you're confusing natural selection and deliberate choice, because we don't get to see the failures, only the successes and it could look pretty planned. Then again, it's been going on for a few billion years, so it's had lots of time for the right genetic mix to start off with.

Did you manage to catch up with John Hewitt of www.sexandphilosophy.co.uk ? He was contributing to an awful thread on creationism, (but he's no creationist) and I think that his "ongoing data input" method might ring some bells for you. It isn't a popular theory among the "skeptic" set, so make of it as you will.

Where the hell are you from, Myriad? You're the most gentlemanly person on the entire forum! (And my opinion carries weight, I'm the least.)
 

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