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What exactly IS education?

LMAO like every single student you have taught has wound up at Cambridge.


Btw I'll note for a second time that you have refused the evidence right in front of you.


I'll point it out again. If a student only retains information long enough to pass a test, you haven't really taught them anything except for a how to pass a test.


The fact that you are making this ridiculous statements shows you don't understand that there is a way to teach a students (who will pass the test) and also retain the information.
 
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angrysoba said:
So, your method is indifferent to student performance. As I thought.

I am pretty amazed you would be so bold as to admit you are willing to see students fail.

So while all these bad teachers only selfishly care about their students' grades, good teachers' selflessly let them fail?

:rolleyes:
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If they do not have the ability (either mentally or responsiveness, they will fail). A student cannot pass Geometry or regular math (especially word problems) if they cannot read the material or follow it when presented to them - no matter how it is presented. A student who is reading at FCAT Level 1 or low 2 cannot functionally read any textbook written for a normal high school class.

The school officials know this and used to have little tricks they could use if the student was a sports player or had important parent(s) but those days are gone - the only thing they could do now is have a teacher (good for firing/loss of license and jail time in Florida) do the test for them (tests must be run through a computer system (e-grades for us) and for the last 3 years we were not allowed to modify the grade in any way (thus the divide points possible into points earned).

Some teachers do mild modification with projects, labs and such, but those cannot be more than 25% of the students grade (and I am pretty sure that has dropped to 20% or less by now - they had been moving in that direction.

Last, but important point - I assume my readers here are aware that if the student CANNOT perform either the reading or the math their chances on pretty much any well designed test (the ones for science sucked - my wife and I (until they changed the rules - because of us and a few like-minded) discovered 10-18 percent of the answer choices that were listed as correct in the teacher manual were wrong OR at least two of the answers were correct though only the one they listed in the manual actually was marked as right). Then they quit putting the answers in.
 
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after the word right) (last line)should be "are vanishingly close to zero........".

I should not post too late.
 
Don't feel bad, I used and onscreen keyboard and have mistakes all over the place. LOL

Sorry as well.
 
angrysoba said:
“Please Miss! How can I pass my tests to go to Cambridge University?”
“I’m not a test prepper. I want to prepare you for when you leave my classroom!”
“Well when I leave your classroom I want to go to Cambridge University and study physics. The competition to get in is high so I need to get good test results.”
“Oh tests, schmests! You’ll forget everything immediately after the test. How about Bloom’s taxonomy?”
“Err…right! Well, can it help me get into Cambridge University.”
“It’s like riding a bike. If I tell you how to do it it isn’t the same as getting your butt on the saddle and feeling it!”
“I don’t want to ride a bike. I need theoretical physics to get into the university I want to go to.”
“Well, how many Americans do you know who can speak a foreign language?”
“Eh?
“They don’t learn it in school. They learn it in foreign lands.”
“Yeah, well…I need to learn physics and I want to get good grades on my tests!”
“Oh my child! I know you are trying to make me look good by trying to get good scores on your test, but really I am a selfless learning facilitator.”
“God! But what about me??? I am the student and I want to perform well on the test!!”
“Perform deary? Are you some kind of seal? Oh no, I think you will find that my methods are best.”
“Best for what? Is this how students learn in China or India?”
“Oh no! They’re completely backward over there with their obsession with tests.”
“But then I’ll fail!!!”
“As a good teacher, I am willing to see it happen.”
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Beautiful!
 
fuelair said:
You ignore those things you noted at your peril if you are teaching in US public schools (Has the name Marzano popped up where you are? - If it has you will get a hearty laugh of sad recognition if you go into a teacher only science dept. (or other)meeting and say "Be careful, don't step in the Marzano!!" It has NEVER failed to get that laugh here in Florida!!!). Except that civic engagement thing - it is not used here (at least not in Orange County and Florida is way standardized now on this fecal matter). I have a sneaking suspicion it involves teaching how your subject matter and activities applicable to same uphold the local government/public, but am much open to dispute on that.
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I’d never heard of Marzano until this post, and I doubt that many teachers in the UK have.

I Googled the name and got a bucket full of words which, in that collection and order, made no sense whatsoever. The problem is that it can sometimes be difficult to know when someone believes what they say – which leads to them being candidates for the next available room in the bin – or are extracting the urine. (The best parodies are like that.)

The trouble for educational theorists, teachers and outfits like Ofsted is that students learn in spite of education, rather than because of it. I was going to say “often”, but on reflection that word is redundant.

I spent five years as an unqualified teacher in a traditional British secondary school supporting Afghani refugee students, most of whom had either no English or (at best) a limited grasp of it when they arrived. The Ofsted report after three years said “Students in the early stages of learning English have well-structured support”. Really? What planet were the inspectors from? The rest of the staff didn’t have a clue of how to do it. Neither did I. I was slung in at the deep end and made it up as I went along. It worked. When I retired the teacher who took over said that I was tough act to follow: “I was a legend in the b….y school”.
 
Here's a clip from a Math Educator that reminded me of this thread:


Leaving a high-flying job in consulting, Angela Lee Duckworth took a job teaching math to seventh graders in a New York public school. She quickly realized that IQ wasn’t the only thing separating the successful students from those who struggled. Here, she explains her theory of “grit” as a predictor of success.

At the University of Pennsylvania, Angela Lee Duckworth studies intangible concepts such as self-control and grit to determine how they might predict both academic and professional success
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http://www.ted.com/talks/angela_lee...ontent=Grit+-+Success00:27:04&cid=soc:4165303
 
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