What an arse

[ponderingturtle]

Well, it's been a couple of weeks now, and I haven't seen anything out of the new administration that promises to make life tougher for the jihadis all around the world.

Do you hate general Petraeus and the way he reduced violence in Iraq by bribing our foes to be our allies? Should we have taken the more proper way ob simply bombing the country more and keeping the violence going up and up?

 

[Upchurch]

Who is this we, pale face?

The United States.

Protecting Israel, Oil, Reconstruction contracts and the general crushing of Islam.

None of these are bad things.

The general crushing of an entire group of people based on their religion is not a bad thing? You do realize that's genocide, right?

 

[NoZed Avenger]

For the purpose of war propaganda none of that matters. All that matters is that there is an identifiable enemy Other.

I.e., "Neo-Con."

 

[JihadJane]

I.e., "Neo-Con."

Not

 

[JihadJane]

How many Americans care that Arab terrorists are Arabs? Not that many, actually, and none of the ones I know. They tend to focus more on the fact that they're terrorists.

That's why it doesn't matter, in terms of war propaganda, that the Taliban aren't Arabs.

And yeah, go figure that the Taliban, the 9/11 terrorists, the London subway bombers, the Madrid 3/11 bombers, Daniel Pearl's killers, etc. share a religion. Doesn't that, you know, maybe suggest that religion is, perhaps, a rather relevant issue?

No, it doesn't.

Does the fact that Christian invaders have killed, maimed, traumatized and displaced millions of of men, women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan, for no good reason, suggest that religion is a relevant issue?

 

[NoZed Avenger]

Not

"All that matters is that there is an identifiable enemy Other."

Neo-Cons are the perfect, insidious enemy for such a purpose. Kudos.

 

[Ziggurat]

That's why it doesn't matter, in terms of war propaganda, that the Taliban aren't Arabs.

And yet, your accusations of racism on my part were framed in terms of negative stereotypes of arabs. But now you're admitting that arab ethnicity has nothing to do with it, because the relevant factor is religion, not race.

Does the fact that Christian invaders have killed, maimed, traumatized and displaced millions of of men, women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan, for no good reason, suggest that religion is a relevant issue?

Aside from the fact that your characterization of events is baseless, if our actions were justified on the basis of specifically Christian religious doctrine, as Islamic terrorism is justified on the basis of specifically Islamic religious doctrine, then yes, religion would very much be a relevant issue. But that wasn't the case.

 

[JihadJane]

And yet, your accusations of racism on my part were framed in terms of negative stereotypes of arabs. But now you're admitting that arab ethnicity has nothing to do with it, because the relevant factor is religion, not race.

You appear to have lost the plot.

I stated that the long-established, Sneaky Arab stereotype was used to lubricate the path to war. You responded by saying that the Taliban aren't Arabs so how can this be so. I replied that it didn't matter because very few of the target audeinece (the US public) know that the Taliban aren't Arabs. You agreed.

Therefore the sneaky Arab stereotype can help to demonize the Taliban, regardless of their actual ethnicity.

Here is a descriptions of the "worst of the worst":

'Testimony of Spc. Brandon Neely'

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22003.htm

"All that matters is that there is an identifiable enemy Other."

Neo-Cons are the perfect, insidious enemy for such a purpose. Kudos.

Sorry. Too cryptic. Who is turning the "Neo-Cons" into an Enemy Other in order to rouse the rabble to support a war?

 

[Ziggurat]

I replied that it didn't matter because very few of the target audeinece (the US public) know that the Taliban aren't Arabs. You agreed.

You are a liar. I did no such thing. I didn't take any position on whether or not Americans think the Taliban are Arabs. My post suggests they don't care, but not caring is different than not knowing. And if I'm right that they don't care, that cuts both ways: they wouldn't care if the Taliban were Arabs either.

Therefore the sneaky Arab stereotype can help to demonize the Taliban, regardless of their actual ethnicity.

That would require that Americans not only be mistaken about the ethnicity of the Taliban, but that they also care about their ethnicity. Negative ethnic stereotypes are irrelevant if you don't care about ethnicity.

 

[JihadJane]

You are a liar.

No, I'm not.

I did no such thing. I didn't take any position on whether or not Americans think the Taliban are Arabs. My post suggests they don't care, but not caring is different than not knowing. And if I'm right that they don't care, that cuts both ways: they wouldn't care if the Taliban were Arabs either.

If they don't care they are very unlikely to know.

That would require that Americans not only be mistaken about the ethnicity of the Taliban, but that they also care about their ethnicity. Negative ethnic stereotypes are irrelevant if you don't care about ethnicity.

All they need to know is that they have brown skin, wear funny clothes and live in Foreign like all the sneaky Arab villains they've seen in films. Negative stereotypes can work below the conscious level. They can feel like instinct.

 

[Ziggurat]

All they need to know is that they have brown skin, wear funny clothes and live in Foreign like all the sneaky Arab villains they've seen in films. Negative stereotypes can work below the conscious level. They can feel like instinct.

The only negative stereotype I'm certain of here is your negative stereotype of Americans as bigots. Oh, the irony.

 

[dudalb]

So the fact that Jihadist slaughtered 3'000 Americans on 9/11 has nothing to do with our presence in Afghanistan?

Oh, I forget..you are a Twoofer.

 

[JihadJane]

The only negative stereotype I'm certain of here is your negative stereotype of Americans as bigots. Oh, the irony.

Where did I portray American people as bigots? I inferred that they could be manipulated with the help of sterotypes into believing they are in such great danger that organized State violence, paid for by said people and their descendants, is the only solution.

Any group of people can be manipulated like this.

So the fact that Jihadist slaughtered 3'000 Americans on 9/11 has nothing to do with our presence in Afghanistan?

Oh, I forget..you are a Twoofer.

By UnLoVedRebel's definition, I am not a Twoofer. What's your definition?

911 has everything to do with the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan, now Obama's Vietnam-to-be.

It provided the pretext.