Weird story

Rolfe said:
Dunno. I have to believe it was something like that, or else complete woo-woo.

To add to my previous post. I think it's obvious that the original experience surprised the heck out of you. (as even now it has a strong impression in your memory) But I get the idea you went decades without examining the facts of the incident. It is also possible that at the time you had this strange experience - you were more open to the idea of ESP or telepathy. Maybe you'd even read an article about it around that time... maybe Uri Geller was plastered all over the news. If your initial reaction was that the event was paranormal, it is likely that after much time had passed without questioning the event, even if you found yourself to become skeptical and critical of the unexplained - your first reaction came from a younger, perhaps more impressionable mind. *all speculation of course - just ideas to chew on*

You also have said things like it didn't have a dreamlike quality. Not only is that subjective territory but it's a subjective examination of memories that went decades unchecked. The shock and excitement of the experience and the passing of time could all easily lead to changes in the story. There's just no way to know for sure anymore.

Maybe you knew the information already(albeit not with 100% accuracy) and forgot the source.

Maybe you dreamed the 2nd day incident in the classroom.(although if this was the case, we still haven't accounted for how you knew the fly info)

Maybe it's something else.
 
As a student, I am not particularly suprised at this incident.

One part really stands out:

Near the end of the lesson Mr. Brodie told us about something called the ichneumon fly, which lays its eggs in the butterfly's chrysalis so it hatches ichneumon flies and not butterflies. Then the bell rang, and as schoolkids do, we stampeded for the door.

It's possible that you weren't the only one who remembered it, but they didn't speak up.

Then the bell rang? Obviously, it was near the end of the lesson, and kids were preparing to get out of class. You mention that they stampeded for the door. That means they already had their notebooks, books, etc already in their backpacks and were ready to go. So it doesn't suprise me it wasn't in anyone's notes, nor that they didn't remember it because class was just about to end.

Also, near the ends of lessons kids usually start talking, standing up, fidgeting around. Was that the case then? If so, there may have been distractions and wouldn't be suprised if the teacher forgot himself.
 
Your memory of the event is most-likely flawed.

I discount clairvoyance because people don't have superpowers.
 
I think his memory is (for the most part) fine.

What he describes is not as unlikely as it seems once you examine it closely.
 
I've had this happen before in this way....the teacher is going on about the butterflies and how much of a nuisance they are...you're bored and looking ahead in the class books/materials. It was the end of the class..did the teacher suggest wondering how cabbages manage to grow still in spite of the butterflies? You briefly skimmed over the fly thing (which you say is in the book you still have from 1970) and put two and two together unconsciously. Then you sleep on it (sleep reinforces memory, and your dreams can mix things together from the day-and you don't remember the dreams).

You get to class and the teacher's question triggers your memory and his discussion the day before and you remember it as him saying more than he did.

I've had stuff like that happen a lot. Especially near the end of class when I'm trying to get notes organized and anticipate homework.

I always ask questions of the information without the teacher having to as well. The teacher is saying this....how is it that they don't kill all the cabbages around?

It's happened to me like that, knowing without the teacher having to tell me to look it up. I got curious and looked into briefly without trying to remember, just to satisfy my curiosity. Then the teachers asks us for ideas, and I've already tried to formulate those ideas and the answers already.

They teach us how to think in school and be curious about cause and effect. You may have done something similar to that. Mixed something in to what he was discussing even though it was you looking it up or taking notes...
 
Just out of curiosity, did you have a subscription or access to National Geographic magazine?

I tend to get a lot of stuff from there, and then never remember that I did.
 
Hmm, I just read the night's batch of suggestions.

There was no book. If the information had been in a book we had available, nobody would have been surprised that I knew it. The book I mentioned was one I acquired more than a year after the incident, which I just looked up to check that the facts weren't all illusion.

At that age, the likeliest other source for the information would have been a weekly magazine I got called "Look and Learn". But the weird bit is that I had no thought at all of "oh, I know this, I saw it in Look and Learn." All the time I was spouting the information I was visualising the teacher telling us the previous lesson, convinced I was just repeating what he had said to us less than 24 hours previously.

Yes, the whole thing surprised the heck out of me. Uri Geller was plastered all over the news at some stage, but I've a feeling that was a couple of years later, and anyway, my only wonder on that one was "what's the trick he's using?" Never even contemplated otherwise. (Never really thought it was as simple as bending by force while operating misdirection either, but there you go!)

I've thought about it quite often, it's just something which has always been in the back of my mind as "unexplained". I've told the story quite often over the years, now and again, not obsessively or anything, but just as an odd anecdote. I never forgot it and never changed the story.

Yes, my first explanation was that Mr. Brodie really had told us the previous day, and I was the only one of the 30 or so people present who remembered, including him. But like I said, there were a lot of pathological swots in that class. They'd jump at the bell, but they'd listen right up till that moment. ALL of them? It just seemed so unlikely.

For many years I toyed only with possible explanations of how I might have imagined the day 1 events, possibly putting together the information from subconscious previous knowledge. But I couldn't get over the fact that my memory was entirely of Mr. Brodie telling the class the information. I'm the sort of person who remembers information by where it was encountered - I can usually tell where on a page I read a certain fact, and flip the book just looking at that PART of the pages till I find it. This one, no memory of books or pages or diagrams, just the teacher talking.

Only a couple of years ago, when I told the story to another group of friends, did someone suggest that day 2 might have been a dream. When I thought about it, that was impossible to refute. Mr. Brodie really did tell the class about the fly just as I remembered, but I dreamed the whole incident of being asked the question and being the only one who could answer.

This is certainly theoretically possible. It just seems odd that it never even occurred to me as a possibility until someone else suggested it, and it was completely unlike any dream I've ever had. Including the fact that I don't remember my dreams in detail, except that they don't make internal sense, and they often involve me being unprepared or late or in a terrible rush.

Never had another similar experience. It's not that uncommon to remember things differently from other people, but it is uncommon to have such a puzzle - if it was simply differing memories, I was the only one who remembered correctly out of about 30 people present, including the person who had been doing the talking.

But it's either that or day 2 was completely dreamed or imagined. I suppose.

Rolfe.
 
I would simply say that, being the end of class, they forgot.

Again, were people talking, moving around, etc?


I think that you really were the only one who remembered.
 
I agree with Blondin. It was an elaborate trick played on you by your fellow classmates and the teacher. Even now they will deny it, but don't believe them!

Look, there they are now, behind you, sniggering!

Looking back on my school teachers, it is certainly not unreasonable to think that they would forget things they taught only yesterday. It is unlikely that everybody BUT you forgot, but that event is far more likely than you witnessing an event from a parallel timeline.
 
Oh that's an interesting possibility, that you dreamed day 2. It's funny, I sometimes do that, recollect something and then realize a minute later, "no that didn't really happen, that was a dream". After all, your experience was quite a while ago, and things could've gotten jumbled up a bit so that you can't really remember which day was was real and which wasn't. Or hey...maybe you dreamed both days! ;)
 
Yeah, how the heck are we supposed to know? We don't even know if the story is true and what the situation was exactly. We only have your perspective. Not much anyone can say for sure. My dreams are so real now that when I wake up I have to separate reality from dreams a lot of mornings. Happened this morning. I did something at work to prevent a bad scenario, and then in my dream the scenario happened and I was freaking out.

Not fun :p
 
Eos of the Eons said:
Yeah, how the heck are we supposed to know? We don't even know if the story is true and what the situation was exactly. We only have your perspective. Not much anyone can say for sure.

Very true. That's the problem. If I heard the story from anyone else, I'd be convinced that at best either day 2 was a dream, or that day 2 did happen, but for some weird reason, all but one person in the room really did forget what happened on day 1.

My problem is that while I accept this intellectually, emotionally I don't "believe" this is what happened. Even though it must have been.

Rolfe.
 
This was all explained in the film "Field of Dreams".

Annie (Amy Madigan): "Maybe you're having a 60's acid flashback."
Ray (Kevin Costner): "I never did acid."
Annie: "Well, maybe you will someday and it's an acid flashforward."

What would we do without Hollywood?

You're welcome. :D
 
.... There it was. I'd even got the spelling right.


How did the spelling come into play, in an oral response to your teacher..?..:confused:




...........(This was a very high-level selective school, and the top stream of Biology pupils - ..........


Assuming that you were not misplaced, as a member of this class, it would not seem unreasonable to imagine that you had gleaned this information from some source at some time..
Much more reasonable than some psi explanation..
 
Diogenes said:

How did the spelling come into play, in an oral response to your teacher..?..:confused:
I heard the word, and assumed a spelling. I can't remember if the teacher wrote it on the blackboard or not. Later, on looking up the subject, I found that the spelling I'd assumed was correct. For what it's worth.

I do not think I heard about this elsewhere and transferred the information. The anomalous event is my memory of the teacher saying something which everyone else present (including him) later denied he'd said. The fact that the information was apparently close enough to correct just indicates to me that the whole thing wasn't a total hallucination.

I think either it all really happened and I was the only one who remembered the events, or I dreamed the second incident based on the reality of the first incident. Intellectually, it has to be one of these two. It's only that, emotionally, I can't square it with the quality of the memory.

Rolfe.
 
Ah, so you took no notes during the lecture on the mystery bug thing. Doesn't that mean anything? I always took down notes on such important/intriguing material. Population control would be on the test.
 
Again, as a student myself I cannot stress the significance of this being mentioned at the end of class. I think you're the only one who remembered.
 

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