We Decide, you Shut Up

Mr Manifesto said:


You can stop it redlining merely by explaining what you are talking about. I'm only paraphrasing what you yourself said.
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I originally said the guy was a woo-woo for his florida coup, cia trained osama, etc conspiracy theories. I explained why "we trained the 9-11 hijackers" is baseless bunk. Are you being intentionally obtuse?
 
Mr Manifesto said:


In today's increasingly rabid pro-war envrionment the real brave people are the peace protesters and the 'pussies' those who stay silent in the shadow of the war mongers.
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Yeah, its take a braaaaave person to hold a sign and yell. :rolleyes:
 
corplinx said:


I originally said the guy was a woo-woo for his florida coup, cia trained osama, etc conspiracy theories. I explained why "we trained the 9-11 hijackers" is baseless bunk. Are you being intentionally obtuse?
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You may have explained the CIA didn't train Osama -well not quite but I admit it's impossible to prove a negative so we'll concede that point- but you still have shown that the CIA gave money to Osama even if it did take a few steps to do it. It still looks as though America was hoist by its own petard.
 
Tony said:



Yeah, its take a braaaaave person to hold a sign and yell. :rolleyes:
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It takes a braaaaave person to sit on the couch and yell for the bombing of countries on the other side of the world.
 
Mr Manifesto said:


It takes a braaaaave person to sit on the couch and yell for the bombing of countries on the other side of the world.
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Is this a personal hobby of yours?
 
Mr Manifesto said:


Perhaps I was too subtle. Allow me to put it another way.

What's so brave about a pro-war stance?
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Nothing really, when did I say there was something brave about a pro-war stance?
 
Cain said:
In Harper's Magazine I read a partial transcript of O'Reilly's interview with Jermey Glick, whose father died in one of the towers on 9/11. After the interview, Glick says O'Reilly told to "get the f*ck out of here before I tear you to pieces."

This comes from http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/oreillyglick.htm
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Why does every conservative talk show host have their own hate page from the left?

That’s odds this is the first that I have heard of this story and it comes from an O'Reilly hate page.
This is a very serious accusation if where true it would have been on every major network in the US and would be known buy everyone.

However this is the first time any of us has heard about the story.
 
heheh wow, take it a run huh. Ok perhaps I should have phrased it, "We supplied them with aid and weapons and showed them how to use them, or didn't whatever." I never said we taught him terror tactics, or how to fly "planes into buildings". I'm actually agreeing with you if you'd stop a second and look. I was just mererly saying that Brzezinski admitted we went into Apghanistan, it was done to lure the soviets in, he had no regrets about doing it, it was the best thing to do at the time.
 
Re: Re: We Decide, you Shut Up

Baker said:




Why does every conservative talk show host have their own hate page from the left?
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Yes like this one.


That’s odds this is the first that I have heard of this story and it comes from an O'Reilly hate page.
This is a very serious accusation if where true it would have been on every major network in the US and would be known buy everyone.

However this is the first time any of us has heard about the story.
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First time YOU heard the story. Anyway we're on the internet. Email O'Reilly and ask him if it's true or not. You could probably request the transcript from Fox.
 
Idiot O'reilly!

Oh! Someone get rid of this ◊◊◊◊-for-brains O'Reilly already!

Who gave this moron airtime? All those guys should be taken out and shot. End both their and our misery.

Fine interviewer he is! Yep. Treat your guests like ◊◊◊◊ and bask in the false shine of total and utter stupidity. Idiot.
 
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Mr Manifesto said:

First time YOU heard the story. Anyway we're on the internet. Email O'Reilly and ask him if it's true or not. You could probably request the transcript from Fox.
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I didn't make the claim besides my comment speaks for it self.
 
Why does every conservative talk show host have their own hate page from the left?
That’s odds this is the first that I have heard of this story and it comes from an O'Reilly hate page.
This is a very serious accusation if where true it would have been on every major network in the US and would be known buy everyone.
However this is the first time any of us has heard about the story.
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This story is mostly unknown because the media echo chamber is almost exclusively reserved for conservative voices and views. If you doubt the veracity of this transcript, then pick up the May issue of Harper's Magazine (which I read personally). I only accessed the story from Oreillysucks.com/ because... a google search showed that this "hate page" had it. Tom Tomorrow's page also carried a portion of the transcript (which he said he got off lexis). It's real.


corplinx said:


Eh?

From MSNBC:
"As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan after Moscow’s invasion in 1979. By 1984, he was running a front organization known as Maktab al-Khidamar - the MAK - which funneled money, arms and fighters from the outside world into the Afghan war.
What the CIA bio conveniently fails to specify (in its unclassified form, at least) is that the MAK was nurtured by Pakistan’s state security services, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIA’s primary conduit for conducting the covert war against Moscow’s occupation"

In other words, we didnt train Osama or his cohorts (who were foreigners and not native afghans). We funneled aid from our CIA to the Paki ISI, to the MAK, which in turn funneled to Afghans.

The notion that Osama is a CIA trained rebel of some sort who turned on his masters is just rubbish. I am sad to see so many people buy this garbage. "We trained Osama" is the new "black helicopters".
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Wow, this is an amazing misreading of the story, which you failed to link (and for good reason): http://www.msnbc.com/news/190144.asp

_Yet the CIA, concerned about the factionalism of Afghanistan made famous by Rudyard Kipling, found that Arab zealots who flocked to aid the Afghans were easier to “read” than the rivalry-ridden natives. While the Arab volunteers might well prove troublesome later, the agency reasoned, they at least were one-dimensionally anti-Soviet for now. So bin Laden, along with a small group of Islamic militants from Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian refugee camps all over the Middle East, became the “reliable” partners of the CIA in its war against Moscow.
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also:
Though he has come to represent all that went wrong with the CIA’s reckless strategy there, by the end of the Afghan war in 1989, bin Laden was still viewed by the agency as something of a dilettante - a rich Saudi boy gone to war and welcomed home by the Saudi monarchy he so hated as something of a hero.
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It should be pointed out that the evidence of bin Laden’s connection to these activities is mostly classified, though its hard to imagine the CIA rushing to take credit for a Frankenstein’s monster like this.
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H*ll, the big text at the top of the article reads: "Osama bin Laden, our new public enemy Number 1, is the personification of blowback"

Congragulations, you spun an article to give it the exact of opposite of the intended meaning. O'Reilly would be proud. Oh, but please continue with the ad hominem attacks about the "woo woo" left-wing conspiracy theorists.

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Someone else made an important point earlier: imagine anyone to the left of Newt Gingrich interviewing a rabidly right-wing family member of one of the victims. If this victim wanted blood from the people of Afghanistan, and the journalist questioned these views, it would be deemed intolerably insensitive. Or imagine this interviewer screaming at their guest to "shut up" and insisting that his mic be cut.

That person would be fired within hours for failure to act responsibly PC -- that is, patriotically correct.

Susan Sontag was excoriated for her views shortly after the attacks. I ask conservatives what she said that was so inflammatory... none of them can remember. They just know she's evil.
 
Cain said:


Congragulations, you spun an article to give it the exact of opposite of the intended meaning. O'Reilly would be proud. Oh, but please continue with the ad hominem attacks about the "woo woo" left-wing conspiracy theorists.

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I didnt misread the article, I just used the only cited material from the article. The article is _speculation_ that has an _unsupported_ conclusion (blowback).

Here's your sign.
 
So... I am debating points of fact with someone who deliberately skews articles to support his ideology... and I'm the troll? :confused:
 
ithinksoiam:
All those guys should be taken out and shot.
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Interesting solution to the problem of dealing with those with whom we disagree, but unworkable. First Amendment and all that.

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I don't know, Corplinx. It seems to me part of what you quoted from MSNBC was speculation as well. It just seems you quoted the speculation that supported your position. I was surprised at this coming from you.

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Gregor said:
Enough with the whining Florida vote crap. Bush won in the first count. Bush won in the second count.

Then . . Did none of you notice that when all the votes were hand counted by the publishing consortium after the election was certified that Bush's lead widened?

You can dislike his policies, but for god's sake stop posting things that are factually inaccurate.
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Ok... a discussion of the vote recount really refutes a claim about voters that were never allowed to vote in the first place. Right.
 
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