Wall a huge failure

[a_unique_person]

Only keeps terrorists out, not IDF and settlers.

 

[rikzilla]

Only keeps terrorists out, not IDF and settlers.

I thought you said the IDF and settlers WERE terrorists???

-z

 

[zenith-nadir]

Damn... if only those pesky jews would stop making it harder for "freedom fighters" to blow themselves up on a bus or in a restaurant or in a university cafeteria...



p.s. The "wall" is actually a huge success. Suicide bombings are down and infiltrations are down.

 

[Tony]

p.s. The "wall" is actually a huge success. Suicide bombings are down and infiltrations are down.

From AUP's perspective, that is failure. What's an austrailian to do without any murdered jews to celebrate?

 

[zenith-nadir]

From AUP's perspective, that is failure. What's an austrailian to do without any murdered jews to celebrate?

I am beginning to think that some here actually believe that targetting buses, restaurants, shopping malls, university cafeterias and markets are legitimate military targets solely based upon the fact that jews are there.

When the same thing happens in Madrid or Bali or New York it is called terrorism.

 

[patnray]

p.s. The "wall" is actually a huge success. Suicide bombings are down and infiltrations are down.

But Bush/Cheney are saying that infiltrations and suicide bombings are down because of the war in Iraq...

 

[TragicMonkey]

I am beginning to think that some here actually believe that targetting buses, restaurants, shopping malls, university cafeterias and markets are legitimate military targets solely based upon the fact that jews are there.

When the same thing happens in Madrid or Bali or New York it is called terrorism.

Exactly! Now you're catching on. It's only "terrorism" if the victims are in a popular demographic. Otherwise, it's just "militants" causing an "incident".

 

[CBL4]

It certainly cuts down on the celebrations in Palestine.

CBL

 

[a_unique_person]

Damn... if only those pesky jews would stop making it harder for "freedom fighters" to blow themselves up on a bus or in a restaurant or in a university cafeteria...



p.s. The "wall" is actually a huge success. Suicide bombings are down and infiltrations are down.

Did you read what I said?

 

[Jim Bowen]

Has there been any proof that the wall has reduced the number of Israeli deaths (it certainly doesn't seem to have stopped Palestinians getting killed)? Despite Israeli being a militarised society, bombers still seem to be getting through highly regularly.

Jim Bowen

 

[demon]

ZN:
"Damn... if only those pesky jews would stop making it harder for "freedom fighters" to blow themselves up on a bus or in a restaurant or in a university cafeteria..."

Security, security, security...it`s becoming your explanatory mantra for anything that Israel does, no matter how illegal or atrocious.

If the wall really is only for Israel's security, can you explain to me why it is being built, illegally, on occupied Palestinian land, rather than behind, or on, the green line, on Israeli territory? Given the severe hardship this is causing, for example, cutting off Palestinian farmers from their farmland or water supplies, what advantage is it to ordinary Israelis' security to build this wall on another people's land?

I even heard an argument the other day that said that the reason the Israelis built the wall on occupied land rather than their own was to make a point that the matter of a Palestinian state needed to be negotiated and this was supposed to provide an incentive for that to happen.
Would the Palestinians be entitled then to a similar operation in order to make the point that the matter of an Israeli state needed to be negotiated?
I'm a bit flummoxed (good word to use), by this. I can only take this to mean that Israel is using the same logic as the loan shark: the longer you fail to pay up, the harsher the final price you pay.

Similarly, this argument seems to be saying that the longer the Palestinians refuse to stop using violence, the worse off they will be in the end. So building the wall on their land is the equivalent of a loan shark giving you a beating and hiking the interest payments up.

Here`s my idiots guide to the completely one-sided pro-Israeli rebuttal of arguments against the Wall:

1. Don't call it a wall, it is a fence despite being concrete and 20ft tall.

2. Where possible play the anti-semitism card

3. Mention that the arabs want to drive israel into the sea

4. Ignore any mention of settlements, settlers, house demolitions, torture, extrajudicial killings, infanticide, wanton destruction of crops and trees or infrastructure. Do not address these issues at any point.

5. Mention the words terrorism, "war on turr", rockets and suicide bombers as many times as possible. Mention mass murder but only of jews.

6. Declare the EU and UN to be pro-arab and antisemitic where possible.

7. If cornered, mention security as the reason for destruction of arab property and killing of civilians.

8. Refer to all Palestinians as militants even when they are babies.

Its obvious to anyone not blinded by tribal loyalties that the location of the wall shows its primary purpose is not reducing terror...such a provocative step is likely to increase despair and hatred amongst Palestinians, but then this is a small price to pay for the Likudniks and settler extremists to realise their ambitions.
In this sense, the Wall is a definitely a success for the fanatics.

It`s simply another step in the colonization of Palestine and it`s ridiculous to suggest it is not colonisation when so many Jews are settling there.
What else can you call it?

 

[Jim Bowen]

Now that, Demon, is a great post that sums up a large number of good points. Nice one, mate.

Jim Bowen

 

[a_unique_person]

Now that, Demon, is a great post that sums up a large number of good points. Nice one, mate.

Jim Bowen

You get a lot of practice here.

 

[Question]

Only keeps terrorists out, not IDF and settlers.

What makes the Palestinians any better than any of the other people who wanted to kill Jews? Because they aren't really native anywhere anymore.

 

[Tony]

If the wall really is only for Israel's security, can you explain to me why it is being built, illegally, on occupied Palestinian land, rather than behind, or on, the green line, on Israeli territory?

Simple. It's not palestinain land, it's israeli land. It never was palestinian land.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Simple. It's not palestinain land, it's israeli land. It never was palestinian land.

Perhaps it's not anybody's land, and both sides need to learn to share. Like in kindergarten.

 

[AWPrime]

Lets just glass the entire place and lets see how many would fight over radioactive rubble.

 

[BPSCG]

Lets just glass the entire place and lets see how many would fight over radioactive rubble.

Good idea. First remove everyone to a safe area until the dust settles. Then divide the whole thing, one area only for the filthy Jews and the other area judenrein. Let the people who will live in the judenrein area have their pick of which 50% they get.

I predict that

1) Inside of five years, the judenrein area will be even more of a hellhole than it was three seconds after the bomb burst, if that's even imaginable;

2) The area with the filthy Jews will be exporting high-quality silicon chips manufactured at world-beating cost from their enormous native deposits of glass and will be cultivating thousands of acres of citrus orchards;

3) The judenrein residents will demand their right to return to the lands stolen from them by the filthy Jews.

I got five bucks. Any takers?

 

[a_unique_person]

Simple. It's not palestinain land, it's israeli land. It never was palestinian land.

Then what did palestinians live on, thin air?

 

[TragicMonkey]

Then what did palestinians live on, thin air?

The Palestinians were Breathairians?!?!