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Wakefield Innocent

Tatyana said:
Professor Walker-Smith was also found guilty of serious professional misconduct and struck off the register for this incidence with these children.

http://www.gmc-uk.org/Professor_Walker_Smith_SPM.pdf_32595970.pdf
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Oh dear, suddenly the article in the OP seems even more stupid. Defending a disgraced scientist by refering to another disgraced scientist, even a collaborator of the first one? Was that really so hard to check before publicising? But that's probably all they've got, and I guess their audience doesn't care anyway.
 
I'm innocent! Innocent I tell ya! I didn't fake ALL the data, just the data I made up. Some of it I plagiarized from someone else, and they made that part up...
 
If I fabricated data saying that the earth went around the sun, even independent confirmation of this fact wouldn't mean I wasn't a fraud.

Wakefield misrepresented the medical records of his subjects. Even proof of a autism-MMR link wouldn't refute that. He would just be right for the wrong reasons.
 
madurobob said:
Thus, Dr Wakefield could not have "fabricated" these findings as alleged by the British Medical Journal, which now finds itself in the position of needing to issue a retraction
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madurobob said:
The Lancet's accusation is of general ethics violations, including but not limited to the fabrication of data.
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Bear in mind that these are not just accusations made by the BMJ or Lancet, Wakefield was found guilty of fraud and misconduct by the GMC and struck off the medical register. Saying that the BMJ needs to issue a retraction is rather ridiculous really. It's like saying that a newspaper should issue a retraction for publishing an article about a murderer being found guilty and sent to jail. Such a retraction would make no difference whatsoever to the result of the trial.

Tatyana said:
Professor Walker-Smith was also found guilty of serious professional misconduct and struck off the register for this incidence with these children.

http://www.gmc-uk.org/Professor_Walker_Smith_SPM.pdf_32595970.pdf
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Man, we really do need a facepalm smilie. "Wakefield must be innocent, this other guy who worked with him and was also struck off for professional misconduct agrees with him!"
 
Naturalnews is the organ of well-known whackaloon Mike Adams. It is not a source of reliable information. I know that is an ad hom rather than a valid argument; but sometimes such things work.
 
JJM said:
Naturalnews is the organ of well-known whackaloon Mike Adams. It is not a source of reliable information. I know that is an ad hom rather than a valid argument; but sometimes such things work.
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Science-Based Medicine has an article about Mike Adams:

Mike Adams, as regular readers may know, runs the website NaturalNews.com from deep in the jungles of Ecuador. His website is a one-stop shop, a repository if you will, of virtually every quackery known to humankind, all slathered with a heaping, helping of unrelenting hostility to science-based medicine and science in general. True, Mike Adams is not as big as, say, Joe Mercola, whose website, as far as I can tell, appears to draw more traffic than NaturalNews.com, but what Adams lacks in fame he makes up for in sheer crazy.


http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=6717
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:D
 
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I wish I could find the articles again, but they have escaped me and my Google-fu is too weak to find them again. Maybe someone else has come across them, I think they were from no more than two years ago. Basically, they point to the concept that Wakefield is a giant douche.

Apparently he performed so many colonoscopies on one of the subjects, a boy with autism who was around 12 years old (if I recall correctly), that the boy ended up with a perforated bowel. So now we have a child with autism AND a perforated bowel. The articles I read indicated that the court agreed that the procedure had been performed way too many times and unnecessarily and the child (or family of the child depending on his age) were granted an award. I believe the hospital was fined as well.

My point is that it does not surprise me that he fabricated results. And also, that Wakefield is a giant douche.
 
ria_rokz said:
I wish I could find the articles again, but they have escaped me and my Google-fu is too weak to find them again. Maybe someone else has come across them, I think they were from no more than two years ago. Basically, they point to the concept that Wakefield is a giant douche.

Apparently he performed so many colonoscopies on one of the subjects, a boy with autism who was around 12 years old (if I recall correctly), that the boy ended up with a perforated bowel. So now we have a child with autism AND a perforated bowel. The articles I read indicated that the court agreed that the procedure had been performed way too many times and unnecessarily and the child (or family of the child depending on his age) were granted an award. I believe the hospital was fined as well.

My point is that it does not surprise me that he fabricated results. And also, that Wakefield is a giant douche.
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I had always wondered how Wakefield had gone about getting those colon biopsies. Obviously, he must have done colonoscopies on autistic children. I had heard that there had been at least a couple of complications doing colonoscopies that were, in essence, not justified medically. Now I've learned the details of at least one:

An autistic boy has won a £500,000 payout after the hospital at the centre of the MMR scandal carried out an operation that was 'not clinically justified'.
Jack Piper, then five, was left battling for life after the procedure, which his parents claim was carried out to establish links between his condition and bowel problems.

His bowel was perforated in more than 12 places during surgery at the Royal Free Hospital in North London.

At the time, it was at the centre of controversy after employee Dr Andrew Wakefield claimed that the triple measles, mumps and rubella jab was linked to autism and bowel problems.

High Court papers alleged that the colonoscopy procedure performed on Jack in 1998 was 'not clinically indicated or justified'. They also claimed the 'principal reason' for the surgery was to further research into links between autism and bowel conditions rather than Jack's clinical needs.
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http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/12/an_autistic_child_pays_the_price_of_andr.php
 
Well, I was off on a few details, but case in point. That's just sick. Thanks Emet.
 
Just finished listening to CBC's "Sunday Morning" Radio 1 show wherein the host, Micheal Enright, interviews Brian Deer.

MMR Autism Scandal

The story of Dr. Andrew Wakefield and his fraudulent research is a cautionary tale for medical professionals, for parents and for journalists.


In 1998, the Lancet - a British journal of medicine - published a paper by Dr. Andrew Wakefield and 12 others. The Lancet was and remains one of the world's pre-eminent scientific publications. The paper it published claimed that the researchers had found a link between the onset of autism and the Measles Mumps and Rubella vaccine - known as the MMR - that's given routinely to young children.


The paper caused a panic and inspired countless parents around the world to keep their kids unvaccinated - and it wasn't just the MMR. Many of those parents refused to allow their children to receive any type of vaccine.


Their fears were spread by word-of-mouth, organized campaigns and high-profile celebrities.


But after investigating Wakefield's claims, award-winning British journalist Brian Deer came to a different, but maybe equally disturbing conclusion; the Lancet report was a fraud.


Mr. Deer, who writes for the Sunday Times of London, began working on the story in 2003 - but it took seven years for the Lancet to withdraw the original paper. Earlier this year, the British Medical Journal went even further. In a series of three articles written by Brian Deer, the journal denounced both the researchers and the research and accused the Lancet of attempting to cover up the fraud.


Brian Deer is in Canada this week and he joined Michael in our Toronto studio.
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http://www.cbc.ca/thesundayedition/...autism-scandal---phil-ochs-documentary/#hour2

Enright, as always, is very very good at his job.

Deer tells the whole story. Wakefield is scum.

Canadians can listen here:
http://www.cbc.ca/video/news/audioplayer.html?clipid=1803614103

I'm staying tuned for the Phil Ochs documentary. ;)
 
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