W. tonight

[hammegk]

Have something specific you'd care to mention?

 

[dsm]

Have something specific you'd care to mention?

My question is a legitimate question based upon Rik's quoted statement.

Who specifically do you think my question refers to?

 

[hammegk]

Whatever. So I take it "your answer is, no I (dsm) have no specific example of Bush's sense of right and wrong being incorrect".

 

[dsm]

Whatever. So I take it "your answer is, no I (dsm) have no specific example of Bush's sense of right and wrong being incorrect".

Whatever. So I take it that your "something specific" refers to Bush, but it still doesn't answer my question:

If a president's "sense of right and wrong" is not sensible, would you still prefer to support him on that basis?

p.s. poor try at shifting the focus...

 

[hammegk]

I find the President's sense of right and wrong right on target.

What parts of that sense of his do you deem not sensible?

 

[dsm]

I find the President's sense of right and wrong right on target.

What parts of that sense of his do you deem not sensible?

You're still avoiding the question... (and so is Rik...)

However, his sense of right and wrong seems parochial and is, therefore, sometimes out of whack for the world theater. He sees things in black and white whereas the world is more grey.

 

[hammegk]

Have you bought your prayer rug yet?

 

[subgenius]

I find the President's sense of right and wrong right on target.

What parts of that sense of his do you deem not sensible?

1. Not devoting the amount of resourses wasted in Iraq to finding and ripping the heart out of OBL.
2. Not ferreting out the weasel in his own administration who divulged the identity of a CIA agent.
3. Appointing, and then not supporting his manufacturing czar who took factories to China.
4. Giving false numbers to members of his own party to pass the Medicare (Medicaid?) bill.
5. Opposing, then obstructing the work of the 9/11 Commission.
6. Privatizing much of our military operation in Iraq.
7. Blaming his lack of action post 9/11 on subordinates not telling him what to do.
8. Distracting attention from important issues with crap like the Gay Marriage Amendment.
9. Opposing then allowing an investigation into the intelligence failures leading to the war in Iraq.
10. Limiting his information input by not even reading papers, instead relying on summaries by sycophants.
11. Acting like he had a mandate after a "close" election.
12. Trying to impose his version of democracy on a foreign nation.
13. Having his justice department argue that the Alien Tort Act forbids lawsuits against human rights abuses by Burma and Saudi Arabia.
14. Allowing a plane load of Saudis including members of the bin Laden family leave the country when all other flights were grounded.
15. Racking up record deficits.
16. Favoring tax relief for the wealthy.
17. To be continued.....

 

[subgenius]

17. POLLS: AMERICANS NOT BUYING BUSH TAX CUT RHETORIC

President Bush is scheduled to tout his tax cuts today at a Tax Day event in
Iowa. He is expected to repeat his oft-heard mantra that tax cuts have
helped all Americans. But according to a new poll by Money Magazine, "60% of
Americans said the Bush tax cut did not personally help them" (1).
Meanwhile, almost half of all Americans say that their taxes have risen
under Bush (2). And a look at the record shows exactly why that majority
opinion is factually correct.

According to a non-partisan analysis, in the year 2006 88% of Americans will
receive less than $100 from the president's 2003 tax cut (3). Additionally,
the president has refused to extend the full child tax credit to 16 million
children (4), including 250,000 children of military families (5). At the
same time, the president's 2004 budget proposed an increase of almost $6
billion in new federal taxes and fees (6) while creating record-deficits
that have forced states to raise taxes by $14.5 billion since 2001 (7). And
to top it off, he has reduced IRS audits of large profitable corporations
whose tax rates have plummeted (8), while increasing IRS audits of ordinary
Americans (9).

Of course, there is a handful of people who are reaping a personal windfall
from Bush's tax policy: President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and their top
campaign donors. The president himself pocketed more than $30,000 in new tax
breaks this year while the Vice President took in an extra $11,000 (10). And
a new Public Campaign report shows that top Bush-Cheney contributors are
raking in even more (11). For instance, Charles Cawley, CEO of credit card
giant MBNA, raised more than $200,000 for the Bush-Cheney campaign and was
rewarded with at least $276,000 in tax breaks. Similarly, William MaGuire,
CEO of UnitedHealth Group, raised more than $100,000 for the Bush-Cheney
campaign and will get at least $329,000 in new tax breaks from President
Bush.

Sources:
1. "Money poll: Tax cuts unpopular", CNN Money, 04/15/2004,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2710236&l=29023.
2. "ASSOCIATED PRESS POLL: Most prefer balanced budget to tax cuts", Grand
Forks Herald, 04/15/2004,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2710236&l=29024.
3. "Most Taxpayers Get Little Help From_Latest Bush Tax Plan", Citizens for
Tax Justice, 05/30/2003, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2710236&l=29025.
4. "Bush Tax Plan's Child Credit Boost Leaves Behind One in Four of America'
s Children", Citizens for Tax Justice, 05/29/2003,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2710236&l=29026.
5. "Study: Military kids slighted on tax credit", USA Today, 06/04/2003,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2710236&l=29027.
6. "Bush's 2004 Budget Proposes More Fees", Washington Post, 04/19/2003,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2710236&l=29028.
7. State Budget & Tax Actions 2003, National Conference of State
Legislatures, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2710236&l=29029.
8. "Corporate tax burden shows sharp decline", Associated Press, 04/13/2004,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2710236&l=29030.
9. "IRS More Likely to Audit Individuals", Los Angeles Times, 04/12/2004,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2710236&l=29031
ome-headlines.
10. "Bushes, Cheneys Reaped Tax Benefits", Associated Press, 04/14/2004,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2710236&l=29032.
11. Campaign Money Watch, 04/15/2004,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2710236&l=29033.

 

[subgenius]

18. He is less than truthful.

 

[fishbob]

I find the President's sense of right and wrong right on target.

What parts of that sense of his do you deem not sensible?

Which of 1 - 18 above did you not know about? Which of 1 - 18 above do you find right on target?

 

[dsm]

Have you bought your prayer rug yet?

Thank God that the skeptic in me doesn't permit such affectations.

 

[Marc]

19 - his "no child left behind" bull. Making increased requirements for teachers, requiring many to go back to college for additional classes, and then not funding the program so those same teachers have to pay for the extra classes themselves

actually could probably make a lot of points on education, but I'm not entirely familiar with the details of his policies and the effects.

 

[subgenius]

Why did George W. "Not Driven by Polls" Bush have that press conference? Polls maybe?

 

[headscratcher4]

I don't think even Gerorge W. believes that the Polls are that important, after all they can't vote for the U.S. President in Warsaw, so he's no need to be too concerned with Polls.

 

[subgenius]

Well he was concerned about the primaries and the primate vote.

 

[headscratcher4]

Well he was concerned about ...the primate vote.

Are you trying to raise that whole thing raised when Kennedy ran about how, as a Catholic, he might be beholden to the Church?Its a slander.

 

[hammegk]

Thank God that the skeptic in me doesn't permit such affectations.

Doesn't bother me, and I suspect GWB will live with that attitude too. Will the Muslims when they control the world? None that I've seen look kindly to declarations that Allah doesn't exist, and the ones with Kalashnikovs & RPGs sure don't seem to.


Re points 1-19. Nope, I don't agree with all the decisions, handling & background on those issues either. Neither do I agree that GWB's sense of right & wrong is strongly at play affecting them; politics of course is.

 

[Frank Newgent]

Re points 1-19. Nope, I don't agree with all the decisions, handling & background on those issues either.

These are not issues for the administration. These are goals.



Hey, what about that bet?

 

[dsm]

Doesn't bother me, and I suspect GWB will live with that attitude too. Will the Muslims when they control the world? None that I've seen look kindly to declarations that Allah doesn't exist, and the ones with Kalashnikovs & RPGs sure don't seem to.

False dichotomy. You presume that not accepting (someone like?) GWB means accepting a Muslim world.

Re points 1-19. Nope, I don't agree with all the decisions, handling & background on those issues either. Neither do I agree that GWB's sense of right & wrong is strongly at play affecting them; politics of course is.

But did he do the "sensible" thing in following his political course of action on these issues?