VisionFromFeeling Formerly Alenara

[GeeMack]

By the way, Jim Carr found out about this by spying on my Facebook in one way or another.

Edited by LibraryLady: 

Edited for civility and Rule 11

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

By the way, Jim Carr found out about this by spying on my Facebook in one way or another.

Sorry, but you've completely lost the benefit of the doubt with regards to credibility.

You're a proven liar and a fraud.

I don't believe Unca Yimmy did any "spying" to come up with your lies about surviving without eating food and whatnot.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Oh no, this is deeply embarrassing. But I was afraid it would show up sooner or later, I just hoped that if I would fail to mention it, it would be later.

I must admit that I am involved in Breatharianism, as a matter of fact each semester break I take the time to get back to it. Today I have had nothing to eat or drink, and I am better than fine.

[...]

However, I will gladly partake in the merciless dissection of this subject that I am sure will now follow. I am today a skeptic and science student, and I do realize the controversy and seriousness of this potentially lethal subject. Rather than promoting this to others, I advocate safety and common sense, and I do believe that any part of a controversial pseudoscientific topic such as this, that does not survive scientific and skeptical perspective is certainly to be discarded. However, no amount of common sense changes the fact that this does remain a real, true, and very important part of my life.

Aw, and just as I was hoping to retire from all of this.

Why is this embarrassing to you if you still believe in Breatharianism?

 

[Maia]

Okay-- well, all I'm going to say is this... the new information just really goes towards my theory about what Anita was actually up to all along. Sincerely deluded? Not so much, IMHO.

 

[Jonquill]

So basically, my breath rate goes down or even ceases. And that is when it is fun to go for a run because I am running all the while holding my breath.

Now there's a paranormal claim that would be easy to test

 

[Ness36]

You still posted a picture of Heather Locklear as yourself, which is hilarious. I think I am going to change my JREF avatar to Aishwarya Rai! ; ) No one will know it's not really my picture!

From Alenara/Anita Ikonen's website it looks like she got all her information from a book by an author called Jasmuheen

No. I get my information from my own experiences.

Then why did you write this on your website?

If it weren't for her book, "Living on Light", I don't know when, or if ever, I would have known what was right for me all along.

Sorry to pop your bubble, but I happen to get good grades because I find the courses easy. Not because I'd be a perfectionist. Some people have good grades simply because they're smart. As for eating disorder, it can't be, because how it works is there are no symptoms of hunger or dehydration.

With the grades, I meant perfectionism such as saying you had a 4.0, when you didn't really have one, and in another post where you said your GPA was precious to you. Whether you have to work hard or not doesn't matter as much as having the need to maintain a perfect grade no matter what. I meant that it is a common opinion in psychology that eating disorders often occur in young women who have perfectionist personalities. What they eat is often one of the few things they have total control over, since they are under the authority of parents, schools, peers, etc.

But if you do not use glucose, you do not use oxygen. Which is nice, actually, since oxygen takes part in a lot of free radical reactions, cell damage and ageing that we don't want.

So basically, my breath rate goes down or even ceases. And that is when it is fun to go for a run because I am running all the while holding my breath.

So you are saying you can survive without breathing!!! You don't need oxygen? This has to be the most ridiculous claim any paranormal claimant has ever made!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would you care to test that by being in a non oxygen atmosphere for 1/2 an hour?



Honestly, if you are complaining about UncaYimmy allegedly looking at your facebook, you should know that anything you put anywhere on the internet can be found by someone else. Maybe if he broke in your house and read your private diary we would be sympathetic.

 

[SezMe]

I will gladly answer questions ...

Why don't you go away and stay away?

ETA: I sent a link to this thread to Underdown and the rest of the IIG.

 

[desertgal]

Normally, heartrate goes up, but during breatharianism, it stays low or calm. It is great fun.

Odd that she doesn't use the breatharianism method to control her recent spate of fake 'heart attacks'.

 

[GeeMack]

I will gladly answer questions and explain things about this, however I do appreciate if we do remain civil, since this is very personal and intimate to me.

How is it you can live with yourself after crapping on so many people by lying about the intent and results of the IIG show?

When do you figure to make that promised announcement about your failure in that show and the subsequent renouncement of all your paranormal medical claims?

Is there some particular reason that you know of why you would continue to make such a fool of yourself for the entire world to see, even though it is almost certain to damage your future employment prospects?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

[...] including pictures, and one of Alenara.

TinEye (an image search service) found this. It's a Japanese site promoting "Abundant Living Information for foreign residents in Japan." The page it found is in Korean and from a Babelfish translation of a portion, it seems to simply be reporting previous 'other worldly' claims. The little English in it are several "UFO"s and "MUFON" (Google found that to be "Mutual UFO Network").

(I don't really have any commentary about this; I'm only slightly familiar with this topic, but I have the TinEye Firefox plug-in and it actually came in (marginally) handy.)

 

[Uncayimmy]

By the way, Jim Carr found out about this by spying on my Facebook in one way or another.

Yet another lie. Are you suggesting that I somehow managed to hack Facebook? Under other circumstances I would find that accusation flattering, but in this case due to your repeated harassment I de-friended you on Facebook and set it so that you could not send me any more friend requests. Why would I do that only to "spy" on your account later?

How I came across the information is irrelevant, and I do not intend to divulge my secrets.

 

[desertgal]

Also, here is the same UFO Info Filer's Files that UncaYimmy posted above, but on a different website including pictures, and one of Alenara.
It has the usual Anita Ikonen/Vision From Feeling/Alenara trademarks of glowing white halo and pink background. I am pretty sure the picture is Heather Locklear from a L'Oreal haircolor ad.

Major Filer posted that picture, not me, and without asking me first. It wasn't even finished. I have some better ones and lately drawings from scratch. Sorry about that.

Or even her, for that matter.

Google Image Search says:

"Alenara"

Heather Locklear

 

[Moochie]

A thumbnail bio of Alenara. She has a son. Who knew?

I like the ad at the top of that page. Apropos?


M.

 

[Uncayimmy]

Okay-- well, all I'm going to say is this... the new information just really goes towards my theory about what Anita was actually up to all along. Sincerely deluded? Not so much, IMHO.

First off, how does "sincerely deluded" differ from plain old deluded? Delusions are going to conflict with reality. Delusions essentially require inconsistencies with reality and manipulation and rationalization of lies in order to persist. That's part of the disorder. The "proof" that it's not a delusion effectively requires the person admitting they don't believe it.

Everything we've seen is that it's a delusion. The fact is that her claims as Alenara are pretty much the same as they are now. There's nothing new except the depth of her beliefs. Otherwise, if you look at her list of claims there's nothing new to add to the list.

The fact that she's been going at this for nearly a decade now is actually proof that it's not some scam. There's no evidence that she has ever taken a dime (maybe she did for this seminar, I dunno). Instead what we see is that for years she has been spouting off the same pseudoscientific walls o' text littered with the same claims she has always made. Her payment all along has been attention.

How do you see that this information changes your conclusions?

 

[Calculon]

Google Image Search says:

"Alenara"
[qimg]http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8136/thum215394b36b76fcec1f.jpg[/qimg]

Heather Locklear
[qimg]http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/2720/heatherlocklear014.jpg[/qimg]

LOL
pwned



Almost as good as the Billy Meier "alien" pics.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Gee...

You still posted a picture of Heather Locklear as yourself, which is hilarious. ...

I never posted that.

Then why did you write this on your website?

What I know about the subject comes from my own experience.

... such as saying you had a 4.0, when you didn't really have one, and in another post where you said your GPA was precious to you.

If someone hits me with papers and calls me stupid I will stop attending that class and that is the only reason I have my only non-A grade so far. I chose to not attend. It isn't even a hard class. I've had harder ones.

Whether you have to work hard or not doesn't matter as much as having the need to maintain a perfect grade no matter what.

You're only saying that because I happen to make great grades. I don't mind an F. As long as it isn't because someone hit me and I chose to stop attending. So what.

I meant that it is a common opinion in psychology that eating disorders often occur in young women who have perfectionist personalities.

Interesting. But does not apply to me.

What they eat is often one of the few things they have total control over, since they are under the authority of parents, schools, peers, etc.

You don't even know what you're talking about. Your general analysis does not even apply to me.

So you are saying you can survive without breathing!!! You don't need oxygen? This has to be the most ridiculous claim any paranormal claimant has ever made!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would you care to test that by being in a non oxygen atmosphere for 1/2 an hour?

Yes. And no.

Honestly, if you are complaining about UncaYimmy allegedly looking at your facebook, you should know that anything you put anywhere on the internet can be found by someone else. Maybe if he broke in your house and read your private diary we would be sympathetic.

I don't care.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Why don't you go away and stay away?

ETA: I sent a link to this thread to Underdown and the rest of the IIG.

Why don't YOU go away, SezMe? What is your problem anyway? If I can't see through fat people as easily, or if I get tired from three trials, what is your problem with me wanting to have another test before I conclude on anything? Besides, even Mark Edward was quite impressed with the fact that I knew the accuracy beforehand.

ETA: And seems that so was James Underdown. But seems that they won't really say that. Also seems that they love to post the paperwork from trial 1, but avoid posting the papers from trials 2 and 3. Why is that? Selective representation of data? No. Skeptics don't do that do they. Only woos do such a thing. I couldn't possibly imagine that from the IIG. No.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Yet another lie. Are you suggesting that I somehow managed to hack Facebook? Under other circumstances I would find that accusation flattering, but in this case due to your repeated harassment I de-friended you on Facebook and set it so that you could not send me any more friend requests. Why would I do that only to "spy" on your account later?

How I came across the information is irrelevant, and I do not intend to divulge my secrets.

I would suggest that bookitty is sharing information with you. I know exactly how you found out what.

 

[desertgal]

I would suggest that bookitty is sharing information with you. I know exactly how you found out what.

Nope...not bookitty. Oh, look, you're wrong again!

Besides, even Mark Edward was quite impressed with the fact that I knew the accuracy beforehand. And seems that so was James Underdown. But seems that they won't really say that.

Yeah. Dang humans. They never do really say what they don't think.

Yes No. And no.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Uncayimmy]

Arlenara also referred to herself as Lena. Check this out and tell me if it sounds familiar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyland
Lena (voiced by Phoebe McAuley, performed by Christelle Ouvrard) - Age 12. Intelligent, reasonable, calm but determined, impetuous. When someone she loves in is danger, Lena is a very mature, and formidable, 12-year old girl. She alternates between carefree playing and grim determination. Adventure isn't an end in itself, only a necessary step along the way. Lena is a powerful Seijin, believed by Oslo to be the 'Lady of Light' from the prophecy. She has the powers of telekinessis and telepathy, as well as other abilities such as powering energy and creating energy bolts and balls, projecting memories, and remotely sensing the presence of things and people. She can even levitate herself to great heights, as seen during an aerial battle with Diwan in the episode Heart of the Arena. She is beginning to control her telekinesis, but it tires her quickly. She has still very little control over her telepathy.

http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Skyland
200 years in the future, in the 23rd century, the Earth has shattered into millions of blocks, known as Skyland, which orbit around the core. A new kind of human being lives among the world, people called Seijins, who absorb sunlight to fuel their telekinetic and telepathic abilities as well as their other powers, such as sensing the presence of things and people, creating bolts and balls of energy and projecting memories. There is also a vague prophecy concerning one called the Lady of Light, a girl who will become the most powerful Seijin ever, and who will unify Earth alongside an unknown man. Psychokinesis (literally mind-movement) or PK is the more commonly used term today for what in the past was known as telekinesis (literally distant-movement). It refers to the psi ability to influence the behavior of matter by mental intention (or possibly some other aspect of mental activity) alone. ... Telepathy from the Greek τηλε, tele, distant, and πάθεια, patheia, feeling, is the supposed ability to communicate information from one mind to another, and is one form of extra-sensory perception or anomalous cognition. ... This article or section seems to describe future events as if they have already occurred. ...