Merged USAID: is it really a bunch of crazy leftists? / Trump Was Absolutely Right to Shut Down USAID

[AmyStrange]

well you should. it’s stealing money. these people just stealing everything and getting away with it is the whole reason why we’re in this mess

I care more about what the fat clown does than his damn wife.

I think she gets punished enough by just being around that steaming pile of rotting vomit.

Plus, I also liked that Spy vs Spy thing she had going:

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[Emily's Cat]

The Laken Riley Act deprives due process for people deemed undocumented. They can be deported for simply being accused of something as petty as shop lifting. Not convicted. Not someone who confessed to it. Simply being accused of it.

People deemed undocumented can be deported for being in the country without appropriate documentation. Nothing else is necessary. They don't even need to be accused of a crime. They're here illegally and can be summarily deported.

Most developed countries do this, by the way. It's not some uniquely american thing to deport illegal entrants.

 

[AmyStrange]

People deemed undocumented can be deported for being in the country without appropriate documentation. Nothing else is necessary. They don't even need to be accused of a crime. They're here illegally and can be summarily deported.

Most developed countries do this, by the way. It's not some uniquely american thing to deport illegal entrants.

Does that include coming in with a passport and never leaving?

The Moonies were really good for that.


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[Emily's Cat]

Does that include coming in with a passport and never leaving?

The Moonies were really good for that.


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Yes, that is included.

 

[Ron Obvious]

Does that include coming in with a passport and never leaving?

The Moonies were really good for that.


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Yes. It's called a Visa overstay. It's very common and there's a very low chance of being caught for that alone, but it does make one an illegal alien, yes.

The same rule applies in any western democracy.

 

[junkshop]

Yeah, I don't care about that.

I just hope she writes a book, and I can read it.


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Books can be written anywhere.

 

[AmyStrange]

Books can be written anywhere.

Yup, and OMG, it's soooooooooooo much easier with a computer than a typewriter.

As a matter of fact, I'd almost bet Melania's already started her book and it's up in the cloud somewhere.


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[Norman Alexander]

So, if she writes a book after the fat clown dies (it'll probably be ghosted for sure), you won't read it?

Nope, not a chance. Have less than zero interest in their lives or thoughts, now or later. The sooner both are just black marks in some forgotten history book, the better.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Yes. It's called a Visa overstay. It's very common and there's a very low chance of being caught for that alone, but it does make one an illegal alien, yes.

The same rule applies in any western democracy.

Mentioned previously, anything up to 750,000 Indians, i.e. subcontinentals, are visa overstayers. Some for decades. Many work in Elon's tech firms as high-end engineers and technicians. Reckon they should be whisked into the night and fog? Punish the company that enabled these grievous crimes?

 

[Ron Obvious]

Mentioned previously, anything up to 750,000 Indians, i.e. subcontinentals, are visa overstayers. Some for decades. Many work in Elon's tech firms as high-end engineers and technicians. Reckon they should be whisked into the night and fog? Punish the company that enabled these grievous crimes?

So, in addition to overstaying their visa, they're also working illegally? What are they doing about social security numbers then?

 

[Norman Alexander]

So, in addition to overstaying their visa, they're also working illegally? What are they doing about social security numbers then?

No idea. Not my country.

 

[Ron Obvious]

No idea. Not my country.

I can tell. It's not all that difficult to get visas and work permits, eventually green cards and US citizenship, for those with needed skills. I went through it with many colleagues when I worked at Microsoft. In fact, it's practically an Indian company these days.

There's no excuse for doing it illegally.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Mentioned previously, anything up to 750,000 Indians, i.e. subcontinentals, are visa overstayers. Some for decades. Many work in Elon's tech firms as high-end engineers and technicians. Reckon they should be whisked into the night and fog? Punish the company that enabled these grievous crimes?

It's not about punishing anyone, it's about consistent fair application of existing law. If they've overstayed their visa, they should follow the appropriate process - and in some cases that means going back to their home country and re-applying for a work visa.

Speaking from personally sponsoring an employee on a work visa, it's an onerous and stressful process, and I feel for them. But at the same time, there was a LOT of work and documentation from me as the manager and from my company to support that process, both in terms of paperwork and time as well as financial - it's not free to extend someone's visa. If they're working for any of Musk's companies *without* valid work visas, then that's a problem.

 

[PitPat]

He can go on the same flight as the First Lady.

Oh c'mon - you know the argument. Musk and his wife are "one of the good ones".

In case you missed it:

Florida Man Says Wife Taken By ICE on Eve of 11th Wedding Anniversary Was' In The Middle Of' Becoming US Citizen: 'They Just Snatched Her'

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You had me at Florida Man. I think this is drifting a bit off topic.

I don't think USAID should all the sudden be under the jurisdiction of State Dept. Hopefully the courts will eventually agree and be returned back to Congress. Not that it'll make much difference given its petrified GOP control, but it's a start.

 

[Ziggurat]

I don't think USAID should all the sudden be under the jurisdiction of State Dept. Hopefully the courts will eventually agree and be returned back to Congress. Not that it'll make much difference given its petrified GOP control, but it's a start.

Wait… you think an executive branch department should be under the control of Congress?

Yeah, that’s not how it works. That’s not how it has ever worked.

 

[PitPat]

Wait… you think an executive branch department should be under the control of Congress?

Yeah, that’s not how it works. That’s not how it has ever worked.

You seem to be under the impression that USAID is under the Executive branch. It's not (or wasn't).

Can the President Dissolve USAID Without An Act of Congress?​

No, not lawfully. In 1961, USAID was created by an E.O. issued by President John F. Kennedy (E.O. 10973), based in part on authority provided in the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961. But a later act of Congress (The Foreign Affairs Reform and Restructuring Act of 1998, 22 U.S.C. 6501 et seq.) established USAID as its own agency. In a section titled “Status of AID” (22 U.S.C. 6563) it states:

(a) In general​

Unless abolished pursuant to the reorganization plan submitted under section 6601 of this title, and except as provided in section 6562 of this title, there is within the Executive branch of Government the United States Agency for International Development as an entity described in section 104 of title 5. (emphasis added)

The key language here is “there is within the Executive branch of Government [USAID]” (see sections 6562/6563). Those are the words Congress uses to establish an agency within the executive branch. It would take an act of Congress to reverse that – simply put, the president may not unilaterally override a statute by executive order.

There's more if you want to read. It may be a left-leaning site, but not crazy librul left.

https://www.justsecurity.org/107267/can-president-dissolve-usaid-by-executive-order/

The administration faced its first loss on the issue. Granted, it's early and will go up the ladder if he chooses to pursue it.

WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal judge on Friday dealt President Donald Trump and billionaire ally Elon Musk their first big setback in their dismantling of the U.S. Agency for International Development, ordering a temporary halt to plans to pull thousands of agency staffers off the job.

U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols, a Trump appointee, also agreed to block an order that would have given the thousands of overseas USAID workers the administration wanted to place on abrupt administrative leave just 30 days to move families and households back to the U.S. on government expense.

https://apnews.com/article/usaid-foreign-aid-trump-rubio-48f8460804d33bdaa18d7765c4b24f9e

 

[Norman Alexander]

It's not about punishing anyone, it's about consistent fair application of existing law. If they've overstayed their visa, they should follow the appropriate process - and in some cases that means going back to their home country and re-applying for a work visa.

Speaking from personally sponsoring an employee on a work visa, it's an onerous and stressful process, and I feel for them. But at the same time, there was a LOT of work and documentation from me as the manager and from my company to support that process, both in terms of paperwork and time as well as financial - it's not free to extend someone's visa. If they're working for any of Musk's companies *without* valid work visas, then that's a problem.

Sure, that's the correct way. But it isn't the Project 2025 way now.

Instead, ICE is going for the "Nacht Und Nebel" approach. Raids, snatching and disappearances... It's all about the terror and punishment, nothing about any correct processes. But only for undesirable illegals, not ones that work for Muskrat.

Nacht und Nebel - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[The Don]

Wait… you think an executive branch department should be under the control of Congress?

Yeah, that’s not how it works. That’s not how it has ever worked.

I thought that the whole idea of checks and balances was that, although one branch of government isn't in control of another, it can act to restrain another branch.

As it currently stands, it appears that the Executive Branch is attempting to wield complete power and is impinging on areas where congress or the judiciary hold sway.

For example, AIUI Congress is responsible for setting budgets and allocating those budgets to departments and initiatives. The role of the Executive in this process is to see that this happens and to see these through. The Executive is currently carrying out a slash and burn on the budget and expenditure without recourse to Congress. Of course it Congress wishes to pass a budget which is 20, 25, 30% lower then it is perfectly entitled to do so but it has to do that in full view of the electorate who are entitled to see which items are planned to be cut.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The principle of the separation of power has been comprehensively eroded over the past decades - the most glaring example being the US conducting multiple wars without Congress's approval, because they just didn't call it a war - with devastating results for the US.

Instead of waiting for an ever shifting Red Line to be crossed, we need to resist the takeover right from the start, as the US as so much shorter to fall because of past power grabs of the Executive than other Western Democracies.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Even though I thought that was funny, I really have nothing against Melania.

I'm just hoping to live longer than the fat clown, so I can get a chance to read her most excellent expose.

It'll be like a BIG period at the end of a long hateful, stupid life.


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She's as bad as he is. Or have you forgotten the "I don't care" message she tippexed on her jacket when visiting refugees?