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US Air Force removes lessons on black WWII pilots from training

Ziggurat said:
Do you think that changes anything? No, it doesn't. More factors being involved doesn't weaken my argument, it weakens the case for DEI, because DEI doesn't consider all those other factors.

They may play a small role. They don't play a large role. Not today, not in the US.

How do you know? You haven't presented a single study. But if you present a bad study (of which there are many), then yeah, I'll dismiss it.

What, "racial discrimination is bad and we shouldn't do it" isn't enough of an objection?

No, it wouldn't. Because again, Nigerian Americans. But that's hardly the only evidence. You know what's a FAR better predictor for economic success or failure than race? Whether you come from a single-mother home. That applies to blacks AND whites.

Yes, it does.

Of course. I'm not surprised that this is actually more important to you than helping lift up the poor.
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Is the 'Nigerian-American' the new Black?
 
Vixen said:
Is the 'Nigerian-American' the new Black?
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It's a subset of blacks. One which gives lie to the notion that blacks underperform whites because of racial discrimination.

And note that I'm absolutely NOT suggesting that blacks underperform whites because they're inferior. So don't pull any of that ◊◊◊◊ either.
 
Ziggurat said:
Do you have an actual point to make? Please, make it. If there's something you think I'm not addressing that should be addressed, then address it. You don't need to wait for me.
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You keep comparing the top 1% with the bottom 1%. You know that is rubbish. Of course the top 1% is going to be the polar opposite of the bottom 1% in terms of levels of wealth. It is nonsense to claim DEI treats the top 1% the same as the bottom 1% as it evades the issue of the vast majority of the population 98% who are neither the top 1% nor the bottom 1%. Let's talk about means and medians. You know there is a disparity in the spread of wealth between different demographs. But let's concentrate on the rich American-Nigerians.
 
Ziggurat said:
It's a subset of blacks. One which gives lie to the notion that blacks underperform whites because of racial discrimination.

And note that I'm absolutely NOT suggesting that blacks underperform whites because they're inferior. So don't pull any of that ◊◊◊◊ either.
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Oh my...
 
Ziggurat said:
I see you're already aware that this has been reversed. But you may still not understand what probably happened here. And what probably happened here is that some lower level bureaucrats who don't like the removal of DEI decided to try some malicious compliance, by going overboard and trying to make Trump and Hegseth look bad. And at least at first, it worked, because this was portrayed by the press as something Trump did, and not as something some low level bureaucrat did. As has been correctly pointed out by others, the history video in question isn't DEI. It didn't need to be removed from the curriculum. Anyone with a working brain could figure that out. And the people who decided to remove it probably did figure it out, and removed it anyways.

We can expect to see a lot more of this sort of bureaucratic sabotage attempt.
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What evidence do you have that "that some lower level bureaucrats who don't like the removal of DEI decided to try some malicious compliance, by going overboard and trying to make Trump and Hegseth look bad."?

So far, all you've got is a plucked out of thin air theory.
If it was removed by some low-level bureaucrats, it's far more likely they did so because they misunderstood* Trump's order rather than out of some malicious, devious plot to make them look bad.

*If it was misunderstood which we don't know either.
It's completely plausible that the backlash itself caused them to repeal the order. After all, the man who put "colored" on his apartment rental applications so as not to rent to them, allegedly made his black employees leave the casino floor when the bigwigs came around, and pushed the "Obama birth certificate" nonsense couldn't possibly have meant to have them removed.
 
Stacyhs said:
What evidence do you have that "that some lower level bureaucrats who don't like the removal of DEI decided to try some malicious compliance, by going overboard and trying to make Trump and Hegseth look bad."?
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That Hegseth immediately rescinded it? He'd only been in office for maybe a day and that was one of his first acts.
 
This is just another example of Trump being the racist Turd we all know him to be. The Tuskeegee Airmen are part of American history and deserve their place in it.
 
Stacyhs said:
What evidence do you have that "that some lower level bureaucrats who don't like the removal of DEI decided to try some malicious compliance, by going overboard and trying to make Trump and Hegseth look bad."?

So far, all you've got is a plucked out of thin air theory.
If it was removed by some low-level bureaucrats, it's far more likely they did so because they misunderstood* Trump's order rather than out of some malicious, devious plot to make them look bad.

*If it was misunderstood which we don't know either.
It's completely plausible that the backlash itself caused them to repeal the order. After all, the man who put "colored" on his apartment rental applications so as not to rent to them, allegedly made his black employees leave the casino floor when the bigwigs came around, and pushed the "Obama birth certificate" nonsense couldn't possibly have meant to have them removed.
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In Zig's world, the right is incapable of doing wrong.
 
Resume said:
I hope not, but given his virulent racism, I think it's even money.
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Again, Trump promoted one of the Tuskegee to brigadier general during his first term. There's no reason to think he wants them removed from Air Force training. Want to make an avatar bet on it? I'll even give you ten-to-one odds.
 
dudalb said:
In Zig's world, the right is incapable of doing wrong.
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Really? That's the straw man you're going to pull?

The right is very capable of doing wrong, because everyone is capable of doing wrong. That's not the question. The question is whether they intended this specific wrong. And there's no reason to think they did, and multiple reasons to think they didn't.
 
Who here thinks Donald Trump isn't a virulent racist? He hires racists. Trump is Hitler without the antisemitism.
 
acbytesla said:
Who here thinks Donald Trump isn't a virulent racist? He hires racists. Trump is Hitler without the antisemitism.
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As the first person to Godwin this thread, I declare you the winner. By invoking Hitler, you have proven yourself correct, and all who disagree are wrong. Congratulations, I award you three internets.
 
Resume said:
I hope not, but given his virulent racism, I think it's even money.
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Let's do an avatar bet, then. I'll even give you ten to one odds in your favor. If Trump doesn't reverse this (meaning he leaves the Tuskegee material in Air Force training), then you have to use an avatar of my choice for one week, and if he does, I have to use an avatar of your choice for ten weeks. Avatars must of course comply with the membership agreement. What do you say?
 
Ziggurat said:
As the first person to Godwin this thread, I declare you the winner. By invoking Hitler, you have proven yourself correct, and all who disagree are wrong. Congratulations, I award you three internets.
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That doesn't make Trump any less the racist turd we all know him to be. Trump is the most dishonest POS I think I have ever learned about. The man belongs in prison. And he should have gone there more than twenty years ago. If that prick launches a war against Denmark, Panama, Canada or any other friendly American ally I'm on the street protesting the next day. And I'm too old for that.

But my first cousin once removed isn't buried in a Belgium cemetery to have a fascist NAZI lead the United States. I get that Americans voted for Trump because of inflation's bite on them. But I don't know a single one who voted for the President to ruin every American alliance. I didn't think Trump could make me more sick of him. But his performance the last week proved I was wrong. In the last week, he threatened Canada, Denmark, Mexico, China, and a minister. While at the same time firing two dozen Inspector Generals. This is that thieving ultra corrupt jerk trying to hide any of his planned wrongdoings.
 
Ziggurat said:
Again, Trump promoted one of the Tuskegee to brigadier general during his first term. There's no reason to think he wants them removed from Air Force training. Want to make an avatar bet on it? I'll even give you ten-to-one odds.
Let's do an avatar bet, then. I'll even give you ten to one odds in your favor. If Trump doesn't reverse this (meaning he leaves the Tuskegee material in Air Force training), then you have to use an avatar of my choice for one week, and if he does, I have to use an avatar of your choice for ten weeks. Avatars must of course comply with the membership agreement. What do you say?
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I do not know exactly who ordered the initial removal, nor the re-instatement. I'd be silly to make a wager based on Diaper Don's incoherent vissicitudes. I am not certain whose racism --Hegseth's or Trump's-- initiated the intialn action.
 
theprestige said:
I'll ask you the same questions I asked @acbytesla: What's your hypothesis? Trump personally ordered it, and then Hegseth countermanded it? Hegseth ordered it, then countermanded it?
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Trump ordered it and Hegseth said "whoa, it's a little soon for this." Be patient Donnie, we will build those concentration camps in good time.
 
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