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Upton Sinclair, Albert Einstein, and Telepathy

Pragmatist said:


So in summary, the only things he actually said about it were that it was "interesting" but that he didn't believe it. End of story. Those are the demonstrable facts, anything else is just wishful thinking.
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This bears repeating yet again...

(well said, btw!)


Pragmatist said:


So in summary, the only things he actually said about it were that it was "interesting" but that he didn't believe it. End of story. Those are the demonstrable facts, anything else is just wishful thinking.
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Darat said:



(Edited to add.) Did you read what you quoted?

I have never ever said that no paranormal phenomena exist.

You can claim I have but you won't find any words of mine to support your claim.
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Actions speak louder than words.... ?
 
amherst said:
So far the only one who has attempted a critique has been Zep, who suggested fraud to be the answer.
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Not true on the part of Sinclair.

What I pointed out, humourously I hope, was that the description of the experiments, as described in your OP at least (or was it a few posts later?), clearly did not PRECLUDE the possibility that Sinclair could have been easily duped by the participants using readily available technology then currently available. Certainly it was an era when many "clever" people were often bamboozled by parlour tricks using dime-store technology. What a pity Randi was around then to cut this angle off!

I'm also quite willing to accept that Sinclair acted in all good faith in the conduct of his work, and that there may indeed have been some noteworthy viable results.
 
T'ai Chi said:


Actions speak louder than words.... ?
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What actions T'ai Chi? This is a message board, all I can do here is put up posts of my words? If that is what you are referring as “actions” then please rather then make insinuations provide some evidence to show that my posts are incompatible with my statements:


I have never stated that no research into the paranormal should be allowed, because that is not what I believe.

I have never stated the paranormal doesn't exist, because that is not what I believe.

I have never said I'm not interested in subconscious self deception, because that is not what I believe.
 
Darat said:


I have never stated that no research into the paranormal should be allowed, because that is not what I believe.

I have never stated the paranormal doesn't exist, because that is not what I believe.

I have never said I'm not interested in subconscious self deception, because that is not what I believe.
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I never said you did.
 
T'ai Chi said:


I never said you did.
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Well I won my bet. :)

(Edited to add.)

And I never said you did e.g. "insinuations" (Encarta Dictionary – insinuation 1. “sly hint something unpleasant artfully and indirectly suggested to another person)
 
T'ai Chi said:


Actions speak louder than words.... ?
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They sure do.

How about some evidence that:

There have been paranormal effects detected in decently run, carefully analyzed experiments that have and can be repeated over and over in order.

There is any meaning to your nonsensical, biased, misleading N(x,y) metric, the one that you have thrown in Claus' face more than once, but have never validated, or addressed the concerns of critics about.

There is any reason that anyone should credit you with being anything but a weak apologist for nonexistance psychic or paranormal phenominon.
 
Oh great, my follower is back. :)

jj said:

How about some evidence that:

There have been paranormal effects detected in decently run, carefully analyzed experiments that have and can be repeated over and over in order.
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How about evidence that counting is an experiment?


There is any meaning to your nonsensical, biased, misleading N(x,y) metric, the one that you have thrown in Claus' face more than once, but have never validated, or addressed the concerns of critics about.
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Did you read about me taking a two random samples and finding that it only misidentified 8% in one sample, and 6% in another sample?

Apparently you missed that.


There is any reason that anyone should credit you with being anything but a weak apologist for nonexistance psychic or paranormal phenominon.
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I'm not saying that paranormal phenomena are real or have been proven, etc. I've only ever said that studying such things is interesting, and that there is suggestive evidence, etc, that needs to be looked into further.

Just so you know, that is the difference between a skeptic and a debunker.
 
T'ai Chi,

What did you mean, when you said "Actions speak louder than words"?

It's a perfectly simple question. I really don't see why you evade it. You must have had some point to make.
 
T'ai Chi said:


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I'm not saying that paranormal phenomena are real or have been proven, etc. I've only ever said that studying such things is interesting, and that there is suggestive evidence, etc, that needs to be looked into further.

Just so you know, that is the difference between a skeptic and a debunker.
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Says you but as someone once said, "Actions speak louder than words.... ?"
 
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