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Understanding the Liberal Mindset

ahhell said:
Sure, I can't persuade progressives that they make sweeping generalizations of people-based skin tone, most non-progressives see it through.

Also, seriously the notion that Biden chose not to run again is....IDK. He dropped out after running for office for over year, after a catastrophic failure in a debate, after the power players in the Democratic party went to him and explained that he adds to or he would loose. Much like resigning after your boss asked you to, is voluntary.

ETA: Glad I amuse you though. Another great insight into the progressive mindset
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Nope. Wrong again, it's your fantasy take on the liberal/progressive mindset that amuses me.

It's a laugh riot.
 
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ahhell said:
The notion of white privilege is a broad generalization though. The way progressive discuss (for the most part) it's as though white people have the same privilege. As though Anderson Cooper and the average Appalachian have more in common than Anderson Cooper and Nicole Hanah Jones.
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I agree. My family was dirt poor for the most part, I didn't inherit a dime.

If you're ignorant, uneducated and without skills, life is likely to be tough. But simply being the same color as potential employers was and still is a major advantage for white people in our society.
 
acbytesla said:
I never said redlining was a function of free markets. And what difference does it make that the barriers were created by the government or the markets? In any case they were there. And they kept people of color from getting mortgages in the neighborhoods they lived in.
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I apologize, I should have said "some progressives" or "progressive often" "Not all" is nearly always true of course. It is true that many progressives (not all) aren't even aware of the role government played in redlining and ignore the fact the large majority of folks impacted by redlining were white and the concept of white privilege treats those whites the same as the Vanderbilts.

Which is why the concept of white privilege is a broad generalization of white people generally and a gross over-simplification of how privilege actually works. And it's why discussions of redlining are great to illustrate how the notion of white privilege is broad generalization and gross oversimplification.
acbytesla said:
I tended bar in an exclusive club that didn't have a member of color until the 1980s. My father's home had a covenant that prohibited the home from being owned by a person of color. And this was in liberal Seattle.
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I won't deny your anecdote. There were also clubs that denied entry to most white people. Catholics and Jews were frequently the victims of such rules but now they are just white people with all the same privilege as WASPs I guess.
 
ahhell said:
The notion of white privilege is a broad generalization though. The way progressive discuss (for the most part) it's as though white people have the same privilege. As though Anderson Cooper and the average Appalachian have more in common than Anderson Cooper and Nicole Hanah Jones.
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Respectfully, you appear to be describing something other than white privilege with the above comment.

For example, American academic Peggy McIntosh described the advantages that whites in Western societies enjoy and non-whites do not experience as "an invisible package of unearned assets". White privilege denotes both obvious and less obvious passive advantages that white people may not recognize they have, which distinguishes it from overt bias or prejudice.
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acbytesla said:
I agree. My family was dirt poor for the most part, I didn't inherit a dime.

If you're ignorant, uneducated and without skills, life is likely to be tough. But simply being the same color as potential employers was and still is a major advantage for white people in our society.
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Minor advantage yes. Which is why I say its a sweeping generalization that most progressives are fine making.
 
I Am The Scum said:
Respectfully, you appear to be describing something other than white privilege with the above comment.
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Not really, I'm attempting to explain how it is broad generalization. Does macintosh claim that Irish Travelers have the same suite of unearned privilege as a posh Englishmen would in England? A Spainard would have the same advantage as a typical German in Germany? I think its pretty clear if you actually pay attention to individuals and different subcultures that are all white it would be quite clear that white privilege actually has disparate and very little actual impact on outcomes relative to the different privileges available to both whites and non-whites.
 
ahhell said:
Not really, I'm attempting to explain how it is broad generalization. Does macintosh claim that Irish Travelers have the same suite of unearned privilege as a posh Englishmen would in England? A Spainard would have the same advantage as a typical German in Germany? I think its pretty clear if you actually pay attention to individuals and different subcultures that are all white it would be quite clear that white privilege actually has disparate and very little actual impact on outcomes relative to the different privileges available to both whites and non-whites.
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More made-up stuff. I love it.

BTW, you still haven't answered my question:

How many liberal/progressives have you actually talked to, or are you just making things up?
 
AmyStrange said:
How many liberal/progressives have you actually talked to, or are you just making things up?
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You got me, none. I haven't spent most of my life in CA, 15 on the coast, 10 of them in San Francisco, my in laws aren't progressives either. My local friend group aren't mostly progressive either. Nope, I'm surrounded by a bunch of klansmen.
 
ahhell said:
You got me, none. I haven't spent most of my life in CA, 15 on the coast, 10 of them in San Francisco, my in laws aren't progressives either. My local friend group aren't mostly progressive either. Nope, I'm surrounded by a bunch of klansmen.
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So, your opinions (pretending to be facts) are made up. I knew it.
 
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ahhell said:
Minor advantage yes. Which is why I say its a sweeping generalization that most progressives are fine making.
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While a Republican administration uses the force of government to demonize and threaten entire ethnic groups with sweeping generalizations, a conservative ignores it and complains about progressives making sweeping generalizations.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Conservative Mindset.
 
ahhell said:
What have I made up exactly.
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Here's a doozy:
ahhell said:
Not really, I'm attempting to explain how it is broad generalization. Does macintosh claim that Irish Travelers have the same suite of unearned privilege as a posh Englishmen would in England? A Spainard would have the same advantage as a typical German in Germany? I think its pretty clear if you actually pay attention to individuals and different subcultures that are all white it would be quite clear that white privilege actually has disparate and very little actual impact on outcomes relative to the different privileges available to both whites and non-whites.
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AmyStrange said:
So, your opinions (pretending to be facts) is made up. I knew it.
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So, ask a question and dismiss my answer because it doesn't match your expectation? What opinion have a claimed as fact?

It is my opinion that the notion of white privilege is a broad generalization. I think I have presented logical reason an occasional fact to support my opinion. It is clearly a fact that some progressive in this thread believe white privilege is a useful concept and have defended it. So, if I'm correct that white privilege is a broad generalization then I think it's fair to conclude that it is a fact that at least some progressives are ok with making broad generalizations about white people. I fully grant, you can't ever really say, "all" of anyone group believes a thing.
 
ahhell said:
So, ask a question and dismiss my answer because it doesn't match your expectation? What opinion have a claimed as fact?

It is my opinion that the notion of white privilege is a broad generalization. I think I have presented logical reason an occasional fact to support my opinion. It is clearly a fact that some progressive in this thread believe white privilege is a useful concept and have defended it. So, if I'm correct that white privilege is a broad generalization then I think it's fair to conclude that it is a fact that at least some progressives are ok with making broad generalizations about white people. I fully grant, you can't ever really say, "all" of anyone group believes a thing.
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All of them, especially since you're surrounded by klansmen.
 
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ahhell said:
Not really, I'm attempting to explain how it is broad generalization. Does macintosh claim that Irish Travelers have the same suite of unearned privilege as a posh Englishmen would in England? A Spainard would have the same advantage as a typical German in Germany? I think its pretty clear if you actually pay attention to individuals and different subcultures that are all white it would be quite clear that white privilege actually has disparate and very little actual impact on outcomes relative to the different privileges available to both whites and non-whites.
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There's literally a section in my link titled Global Perspectives that addresses these types of questions.

White privilege functions differently in different places. A person's white skin will not be an asset to them in every conceivable place or situation.
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