Understanding the Liberal Mindset

[angrysoba]

I posted proof of Stonetoss's Nazi propaganda. Unless you think Holocaust denial is not Nazi propaganda, in which case, I think what we actually need is a thread attempting to decipher the conservative mindset, as that would be a far more important mystery to solve.

How interesting that smartcooky sought to teach everyone about the Libbburrrul minds, and yet it has been quite an extraordinary insight into the right-wing mind instead. Not that we found anything we didn’t suspect.

 

[AmyStrange]

I understand the cartoon just fine. It is you who does not understand that, in an ironic but unsurprising twist, you are spreading the propaganda of a holocaust denying neo-Nazi.

I'm willing to chalk it up as a mistake, provided you are willing to admit the error. Ball's in your court.

Yup, I agree, and someone using a cartoon to prove an opinion based on blanket statements (BS) that tries to prove (as a fact) that ALL liberals are evil is as funny as it gets.

They should interview ALL liberals first before they make false statements like that.

Anyway, Happy New Years everyone!!!

 

[acbytesla]

How interesting that smartcooky sought to teach everyone about the Libbburrrul minds, and yet it has been quite an extraordinary insight into the right-wing mind instead. Not that we found anything we didn’t suspect.

The argument I keep hearing from the Trausti, Cooky, Prestige, Zig is that us Libs care too much. And they may be right. I also hear from them is that they care about those less fortunate. Just not enough to help them.

 

[Norman Alexander]

I would love once to see an actual consistent definition of "liberal" that is not "person who doesn't believe what we believe", or "person who believes what we think they believe rather than what they say they believe".

 

[AmyStrange]

I would love once to see an actual consistent definition of "liberal" that is not "person who doesn't believe what we believe", or "person who believes what we think they believe rather than what they say they believe".

Actually (like I posted earlier), I don't believe there is such a thing as a consistent liberal mindset, because it varies from liberal to liberal, unless you consider empathy as something consistent, but then again, that is just my opinion, and as always, your mileage may vary of course.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Actually (like I posted earlier), I don't believe there is such a thing as a consistent liberal mindset, because it varies from liberal to liberal, unless you consider empathy as something consistent, but then again, that is just my opinion, and as always, your mileage may vary of course.

OK, then. So what IS "a liberal", other than what someone else is not?

 

[AmyStrange]

OK, then. So what IS "a liberal", other than what someone else is not?

Like I already posted at least a couple times (including the post you quoted):

"I don't believe there is such a thing as a consistent liberal mindset, because it varies from liberal to liberal, unless you consider empathy as something consistent."

Of course, I'd have to interview ALL the liberals in the world first before I can honestly say that for sure, except I suspect I'd get a million and one different opinions about what a liberal mindset really is.

When you vote for the fat clown and still believe all his lies, you obviously don't have any empathy, or it's just pretend empathy, but then again, these are just my opinion (except interviewing ALL liberals that is), and as always, you know the rest.

 

[Lithrael]

I'm the kind of liberal that still doesn't like it when people's ideas about how things 'really' are sound uncomfortably like 80s Davros off of Doctor Who.

Like. Sneer at me for having a cartoonish sense of idealism but. I don't like it that there's a wholeass movement dedicated to the idea that offering kindness and help even to people who are not guaranteed to reciprocate is not just foolish but wasteful and destructive, with no shortage of people in actual high positions of power loudly extrapolating that into 'they don't even really want to help anyone, they just want a) power and/or b) to destroy the country'

 

[AmyStrange]

I'm the kind of liberal that still doesn't like it when people's ideas about how things 'really' are sound uncomfortably like 80s Davros off of Doctor Who.

Like. Sneer at me for having a cartoonish sense of idealism but. I don't like it that there's a wholeass movement dedicated to the idea that offering kindness and help even to people who are not guaranteed to reciprocate is not just foolish but wasteful and destructive, with no shortage of people in actual high positions of power loudly extrapolating that into 'they don't even really want to help anyone, they just want a) power and/or b) to destroy the country'

So, would the world be a better place if everyone stopped, "offering kindness and help even to those who are not guaranteed to reciprocate..."

In my opinion, being kind and helpful is better than not being kind and helpful, but once again, that is just my opinion.

Your mileage (opinion) obviously does vary from mine.


BTW, I'm not sneering at you. I merely disagree.

 

[AmyStrange]

I'm the kind of liberal that still doesn't like it when people's ideas about how things 'really' are sound uncomfortably like 80s Davros off of Doctor Who.

Like. Sneer at me for having a cartoonish sense of idealism but. I don't like it that there's a wholeass movement dedicated to the idea that offering kindness and help even to people who are not guaranteed to reciprocate is not just foolish but wasteful and destructive, with no shortage of people in actual high positions of power loudly extrapolating that into 'they don't even really want to help anyone, they just want a) power and/or b) to destroy the country'

Also, I have been involved in helping and being kind to many abused animals, and it's also obvious that most animals "are not guaranteed to reciprocate."

Is this also foolish, wasteful, and destructive, or does this apply only to animals?

I don't think it's foolish and wasteful or destructive, and BTW, I'd like to point out that people are also animals.

Now, this is my personal liberal mindset, but it may not be the same for all liberals.

We are (after all) a very varied lot.

 

[smartcooky]

I find it fascinating that the people that routinely label all conservatives as racist, sexist, homophobic, etc., get upset when someone applies labels and stereotypes on them.

Exactly! On this forum, I have been labeled, called or accused of being any and all of the following...

1. A ◊◊◊◊◊◊ lover (that's the n-word there) because I accept people of colour as my equals and because I disagree with far right people about the reasons for people of colour having high crime rates (my opinion is that its much more about socio-economics, they think its all about skin colour).

2. A racist, because I oppose uncontrolled, illegal immigration. I have no problem with people who immigrate legally, going through the correct legal channels, and in fact have routinely advocated, right here on this forum, for taking more asylum seekers, and I still do.

3. A transphobe, because I am a strong advocate for a woman's right to have safe and private spaces and sports, and because I am gender critical i.e. I know for a fact there are only two sexes, and I refuse to deny science and objective reality for the sake of the comfort of a tiny minority of people.

4. A Nazi, because I flatly, utterly and uncompromisingly refuse to back down from either 2 or 3 above.

5. A Facist, for the same reasons as 4.

6. A Libtard because of some of the more left-wing things I believe in, such as climate change is real, Covid 19 was real, vaccines are safe and effective, universal healthcare, living wages and universal income. This is despite the fact that I routinely refer the members of the GOP as "Repugnicans", and pretty much always refer to their Dear Leader as "The Fat Orange Turd"

7. Suffering from TDS because I strongly beleive The Fat Orange Turd is a racist, a mysogynist, a sex-pest, a complusive liar and an incompetent nincompoop who is totally unqualified to hold the the Office of the Presidency.

I have been accused of membership in the whole gamut of the political spectrum, from the loony far left, through centrist (which is what I am) to far right thug. I doesn't matter what I say, some cult member here from one end or the other will hate me for it.

There used to be a poster here called Joe Bentley. I don't know whatever happened to him, but he came out with this great saying once that I wrote down and now keep in a file of "Great Quotes" - I think I might have had it as my signature at one time...

"If I'm going to be somebody's boogeyman no matter what I do, then all I need to do is be the best person I can be and wear people's​

hatred as a badge of honor!"​

Sometimes, I feel like I'm the very embodiment of that quote.

 

[AmyStrange]

Exactly! On this forum, I have been labeled, called or accused of being any and all of the following...

1. A ◊◊◊◊◊◊ lover (that's the n-word there) because I accept people of colour as my equals and because I disagree with far right people about the reasons for people of colour having high crime rates (my opinion is that its much more about socio-economics, they think its all about skin colour).

2. A racist, because I oppose uncontrolled, illegal immigration. I have no problem with people who immigrate legally, going through the correct legal channels, and in fact have routinely advocated, right here on this forum, for taking more asylum seekers, and I still do.

3. A transphobe, because I am a strong advocate for a woman's right to have safe and private spaces and sports, and because I am gender critical i.e. I know for a fact there are only two sexes, and I refuse to deny science and objective reality for the sake of the comfort of a tiny minority of people.

4. A Nazi, because I flatly, utterly and uncompromisingly refuse to back down from either 2 or 3 above.

5. A Facist, for the same reasons as 4.

6. A Libtard because of some of the more left-wing things I believe in, such as climate change is real, Covid 19 was real, vaccines are safe and effective, universal healthcare, living wages and universal income. This is despite the fact that I routinely refer the members of the GOP as "Repugnicans", and pretty much always refer to their Dear Leader as "The Fat Orange Turd"

7. Suffering from TDS because I strongly beleive The Fat Orange Turd is a racist, a mysogynist, a sex-pest, a complusive liar and an incompetent nincompoop who is totally unqualified to hold the the Office of the Presidency.

I have been accused of membership in the whole gamut of the political spectrum, from the loony far left, through centrist (which is what I am) to far right thug. I doesn't matter what I say, some cult member here from one end or the other will hate me for it.

There used to be a poster here called Joe Bentley. I don't know whatever happened to him, but he came out with this great saying once that I wrote down and now keep in a file of "Great Quotes" - I think I might have had it as my signature at one time...

"If I'm going to be somebody's boogeyman no matter what I do, then all I need to do is be the best person I can be and wear people's​

hatred as a badge of honor!"​

Sometimes, I feel like I'm the very embodiment of that quote.

What does any of that have to do with your definition (which is only an opinion) of the liberal mindset?

Personally, I don't think you're any of those things, unless of course you believe everything the fat clown says is gospel, and even then, it's still only an opinion and not a fact.

 

[smartcooky]

What does any of that have to do with your definition (which is only an opinion) of the liberal mindset?

No, the Liberal Progressive mindset. There is a difference. Not all Liberals are progressives, and not all people with progressive opinions are Liberals.

The ones I am talking about are those self-serving, self-opinionated wankers who think they know what's best for everyone; and who are so arrogantly cocksure of themselves, they cannot even conceive of the possibility that they might be wrong, and/or that their view of the world might be flawed.

Personally, I don't think you're any of those things

Thanks, but there are plenty who do.

unless of course you believe everything the fat clown says is gospel, and even then, it's still only your opinion and not a fact.

He's a dickhead or course. However, I am waiting for the day when someone on this forum labels me a MAGAt or a MAGAchud because I dare to give The Fat Orange Turd some credit for something he's done than I agree with. Its only a matter of time.

 

[AmyStrange]

No, the Liberal Progressive mindset. There is a difference. Not all Liberals are progressives, and not all people with progressive opinions are Liberals.

The ones I am talking about are those self-serving, self-opinionated wankers who think they know what's best for everyone; and who are so arrogantly cocksure of themselves, they cannot even conceive of the possibility that they might be wrong, and/or that their view of the world might be flawed.


Thanks, but there are plenty who do.


He's a dickhead or course. However, I am waiting for the day when someone on this forum labels me a MAGAt or a MAGAchud because I dare to give The Fat Orange Turd some credit for something he's done than I agree with. Its only a matter of time.

Fair enough, but it's all just your opinion and not a fact until you interview ALL liberal/progressives.

Like I posted earlier, we're a varied lot.

As far as disagreeing with everything the fat clown says, I do agree with his choice to lead the secret service, although he should've picked the woman who was actually putting herself in harms way to protect him. I can find the photo I posted if you want to know who that woman was.

I also agree with his decision to reschedule marijuana.

Most everything else is just plain BS, except maybe his desire to deport violent criminals who are also illegal immigrants.

I just wish he'd get rid of this quote system which actually goes beyond that and detains or deports folks who are actually trying to do the right thing.

That's my liberal/progressive mindset which probably varies from many others who consider themselves liberal/progressives.

 

[arthwollipot]

The ones I am talking about are those self-serving, self-opinionated wankers who think they know what's best for everyone; and who are so arrogantly cocksure of themselves, they cannot even conceive of the possibility that they might be wrong, and/or that their view of the world might be flawed.

There's another example.

 

[AmyStrange]

There's another example.

Yup, especially since most skeptics don't believe in mind reading.

 

[arthwollipot]

Ever wondered why we say "every accusation is a confession"? This is why. Those on the right exhibit exactly the same characteristics and behaviours that they accuse the left of and purport to hate so much. Ideological purity? Check. Resistance to contrary opinions? Check. Absolute certainty that they are right and we are wrong? Labelling the other side with insults? Playing the victim card? Check, check, and check.

The one defining characteristic of them all is that they can't see it.

 

[Aber]

The ones I am talking about are those self-serving, self-opinionated wankers who think they know what's best for everyone; and who are so arrogantly cocksure of themselves, they cannot even conceive of the possibility that they might be wrong, and/or that their view of the world might be flawed.

How does this overlap with the Lanyard Class?

 

[Darat]

I would love once to see an actual consistent definition of "liberal" that is not "person who doesn't believe what we believe", or "person who believes what we think they believe rather than what they say they believe".

And I'd like consistency in using political terms, liberal is not a synonym for "the left", the two terms are not interchangeable when discussing political matters. Or rather they are not if what you want is a discussion about politics.

 

[AmyStrange]

And I'd like consistency in using political terms, liberal is not a synonym for "the left", the two terms are not interchangeable when discussing political matters. Or rather they are not if what you want is a discussion about politics.

Yup, I agree, and take me for example.

I'm a registered republican, but I also consider myself a liberal/progressive, and I've also been called a nazi by some folks in this forum just because I'm a registered republican.