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Understanding the Liberal Mindset

theprestige said:
I'm not referring to incivility directed at people on this forum. I'm referring to the misanthropic, dehumanizing, merciless rhetoric referring to anyone and everyone suspected of voting the other way.
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oh see when you said you see misanthropy on this forum directed at the right i had thought you meant on this forum.

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not trying to be rude. but ultimately my point is that your voting preferences are most likely reflected in your opinions and attitude as much as what you’re writing on the paper.
 
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427 Cobra said:
I find it fascinating that the people that routinely label all conservatives as racist, sexist, homophobic, etc., get upset when someone applies labels and stereotypes on them.
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I find it fascinating that people who routinely spout racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. get all whiny when they get called out on the horribleness of their views. Your lack of ability to take criticism in a constructive matter and improve yourself is not my problem.
 
acbytesla said:
I don't even know what a conservative is anymore. Today's Republicans do not resemble in the slightest old school conservative philosophy.of Republicans of the 1950s, 1960s and early 1970s. Conservatives were pro choice at that time. They didn't care about one's sexuality. Ever hear of Log Cabin Republicans? They wouldn't be for reckless tax cuts. That began to change in 1980 when Ronald Reagan created a coalition with the batcrap crazy religious nuts. Reagan combined fiscal recklessness with his deal with GConservatives. The Republicans have been ona dishonest downward slide ever since.

Trump's conservatives are not conservatives. MAGA isn't conservative. It's fascist.
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The republicans of the immediate post war years weren't really conservative, they were a mixture of classical liberals and the remnants of the core proto-social democrats which comprised the radical core of the original republican party. Yes economic conservatism was creeping in, but in terms of social values and welfare, they were well to the left of todays party (and in some cases either party).
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
I find it fascinating that people who routinely spout racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. get all whiny when they get called out on the horribleness of their views. Your lack of ability to take criticism in a constructive matter and improve yourself is not my problem.
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Unless you know Cobra personally outside the forum, you are reading an awful lot into 29 posts, most of them about cars.
 
angrysoba said:
The compassion for the Master Race is the good bit, no?
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No. I mean, maybe you think that compassion allocated to some but not others on the basis of bigotry is a moral good. I don't think so.

However, I must admit that I'm now interested in arguments that bigoted people go around doing moral good in a bigoted way, that involves withholding moral good from a lot of people. If you have any such arguments, please share.
 
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theprestige said:
No. I mean, maybe you think that compassion allocated to some but not others on the basis of bigotry is a moral good. I don't think so.
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No, people are not compassionate because of bigotry. It is the refusal to be compassionate on the basis of bigotry which is the bad bit.
theprestige said:
However, I must admit that I'm now interested in arguments that bigoted people go around doing moral good in a bigoted way, that involves withholding moral good from a lot of people. If you have any such arguments, please share.
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“Doing moral good in a bigoted way” is your formulation, not mine. That’s why you find the idea so risible.
 
angrysoba said:
No, people are not compassionate because of bigotry. It is the refusal to be compassionate on the basis of bigotry which is the bad bit.
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I think the two bits are inseparable. "For those inside the party everything, for those outside the party nothing" is not a moral good, no matter how compassionate you are towards the people inside the party.

angrysoba said:
“Doing moral good in a bigoted way” is your formulation, not mine. That’s why you find the idea so risible.
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How else would you formulate it? Again, I'm asking if arth's moral goods are still moral goods when they're applied conditionally, according to bigoted conditions. I don't think they are.

To be clear: I'm not talking about people who apply the principles of compassion and empathy imperfectly. Nobody's perfect. I'm talking about people who espouse a bigoted ideology (or who express one in practice), that picks and chooses who gets compassion and empathy based on bigoted criteria. Hitler's National Socialism was not a partly-good, partly-bad ideology. It was all bad, in its conditional application of goods.
 
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theprestige said:
I see a lot of misanthropy on this forum, from the left, directed at the right. You* express hatred for those on the right who don't express empathy to your satisfaction, but the moment someone votes differently from you, all that empathy goes out the window. People transform before your eyes, from human beings making flawed choices, into subhuman monsters who deserve everything their oppressors do to them, and deserve none of the moral goods you have in store for the real humans who agree with you.

*The rhetorical you*, obvs.
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Yeah, some people are frustrated and angry and use hyperbole. And a few may actually feel that way.

But I also know that irl I specifically keep getting accused of personally being hateful and dehumanizing towards politicians I don't like, which gets right up my nose because I'm literally the 'don't dehumanise anyone, ever, that's how you forget good people can do bad things' person. Maybe because I said something stronger than I remember? 'but you hate RFK.' 'I don't LIKE that RFK is in a position where he's going to get people killed. I don't hate RFK! He's just a guy! A guy with part of a putrefying whale on his car, sure, but still just a guy!' 'but why should you hate him?' 'I just said I don't hate him!' 'I dunno, sounds like you doth protest too much!'
 
Lithrael said:
Yeah, some people are frustrated and angry and use hyperbole. And a few may actually feel that way.
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Cool.

Lithrael said:
But I also know that irl I specifically keep getting accused of personally being hateful and dehumanizing towards politicians I don't like, which gets right up my nose because I'm literally the 'don't dehumanise anyone, ever, that's how you forget good people can do bad things' person. Maybe because I said something stronger than I remember? 'but you hate RFK.' 'I don't LIKE that RFK is in a position where he's going to get people killed. I don't hate RFK! He's just a guy! A guy with part of a putrefying whale on his car, sure, but still just a guy!' 'but why should you hate him?' 'I just said I don't hate him!' 'I dunno, sounds like you doth protest too much!'
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Wow, that sucks. You have my sympathy.
 
AmyStrange said:
Nope. Wrong. People who take advantage of you are the real problem.

IOW, those without empathy are the real problem.
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Empathic judges who release career criminals again and again to terrorize the public are the problem.
 
Trausti said:
Empathic judges who release career criminals again and again to terrorize the public are the problem.
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People who believe lies are more of a problem, especially when their egos demand they always be right, and thus, lie to themselves to achieve that goal.

Now, let me ask you this: Do you really believe everything the fat clown says, or are you more intelligent than that?

I don't really expect an answer, because you always seem to somehow avoid the really important questions.

Good luck with all that and have a Happy New Years anyway.
 
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AmyStrange said:
Now, let me ask you, do you believe everything the fat clown says, or are you more intelligent than that?
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Are you really that incapable of having a discussion without mentioning Orange Julius? Get out and take a walk or something. Good grief.
 
Trausti said:
Are you really that incapable of having a discussion without mentioning Orange Julius? Get out and take a walk or something. Good grief.
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Thank you, but as usual, you ignored my question:

Do you really believe everything the fat clown says, or are you more intelligent than that?


BTW, wasn't it the fat clown who said what you said, almost word for word?

And that's what makes it relevant.
 
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AmyStrange said:
Thank you, but as usual, you ignored my question:

Do you really believe everything the fat clown says, or are you more intelligent than that?
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No, I don't. So, what? Do you always resort to Orange-Man-Bad when you can't formulate an argument?
 
Trausti said:
No, I don't. So, what? Do you always resort to Orange-Man-Bad when you can't formulate an argument?
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When you quote the fat clown almost word for word, that's why he becomes relevant.

Anyway, thanks for actually answering my question.
 
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Trausti said:
Where did I do that? Are you confusing me for someone else? Go take that walk and get some fresh air. Sheesh.
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Sigh, Post #91:

"Empathic [woke] judges who release career criminals [who rule against the fat clown] again and again [so he can continue] to terrorize the public are the problem."
 
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theprestige said:
Is this supposed to be another demonstration of the liberal mindset? Purposefully ignoring the plain meaning of things, to pretend victory instead of admitting error?
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The plain meaning is that you think I'm lying.

I'm not, because I don't have to, but good luck with that, and have a Happy New Years anyway.
 
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AmyStrange said:
The fat clown says almost the same thing almost every time a (woke) judge rules against him.
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So, what? I'm against judges who constantly release career criminals to terrorize the public. I don't care what Trump has to say about that. I do not adjust my viewpoints on what Trump has or has not said.

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Trausti said:
So, what? I'm against judges who constantly release career criminals to terrorize the public. I don't care what Trump has to say about that. I do not adjust my viewpoints on what Trump has or has not said.

iu
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I agree with the first part anyway, and maybe someday, a judge will do the right thing and make sure the fat clown (a career criminal) never terrorizes the public again.
 
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Trausti said:
So, what? I'm against judges who constantly release career criminals to terrorize the public. I don't care what Trump has to say about that. I do not adjust my viewpoints on what Trump has or has not said.
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Personally, I'm old school conservative on such matters. I think anybody who's been convicted of more than thirty felonies ought to be in prison for life.

I wonder what Trump and his supporters think of that?
 
TragicMonkey said:
Personally, I'm old school conservative on such matters. I think anybody who's been convicted of more than thirty felonies ought to be in prison for life.

I wonder what Trump and his supporters think of that?
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If those felonies involved violence and threats of violence, why wait for thirty?
 
Trausti said:
So, what? I'm against judges who constantly release career criminals to terrorize the public. I don't care what Trump has to say about that. I do not adjust my viewpoints on what Trump has or has not said.

iu
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Yet we never see any of your criticisms in the Trump thread, why is that? He's literally letting career drug dealers out on pardons, along with career fraudsters, and grifters. Why don't we see you complaining about that? Maybe I missed it, I'm sure you wouldn't be selective about your outrage. I'm sure this would never have a racial tinge to it, as you never display that type of behavior. I'm sure you're consistent across the board and I just didn't see your outrage at Trump letting these career criminals out to terrorize again.

ETA*Corrected spelling and double usage.
 
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plague311 said:
Yet we never see any of your criticisms in the Trump thread, why is that? He's literally letting career drug deals out on pardons, along with career fraudsters, and drug dealers. Why don't we see you complaining about that? Maybe I missed it, I'm sure you wouldn't be selective about your outrage. I'm sure this would never have a racial tinge to it, as you never display that type of behavior. I'm sure you're consistent across the board and I just didn't see your outrage at Trump letting these career criminals out to terrorize again.
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You're upset that I don't have Trump Derangement Syndrome?
 
Trausti said:
You're upset that I don't have Trump Derangement Syndrome?
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Ah yes, the default position of the Trump cult member. This actually says more about you than you think.

I say, "We haven't seen you be critical of Trump when he does things you're openly displaying your animosity for when 'the left' does it, why not?"

You reply with, "I can't be critical of Trump. To be critical of Trump means you have a (made up) mental disease."

That's ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ crazy to me. Absolutely, off-the-wall, completely unhinged behavior and you're acting like others have a mental issue.

Good for you buddy. I'll never, ever in my life dick ride a politician like that. I will never, ever in my life let another grown man have such control of who I am that merely criticizing him is seen as a mental illness. I'm glad you're lacing that shoe up and wearing it proudly though.
 
AmyStrange said:
Well, if I'm wrong, then prove it, and if you can, I will admit it, unlike some people.
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It's already proven. I already posted my plain meaning. You already ignored it.

Is this supposed to be yet another demonstration of the liberal mindset? Absolute confusion about their own posts?

Maybe you should take a step back, and let someone else exemplify the liberal mindset. You're not doing it any favors.
 
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