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UK - Train firm apologise for "ladies and gentlemen" announcement

Delphic Oracle said:
In this post you:

Express lamemt over a perceived loss of status.

Minimize the experiences others have that you do not.

Complained about something that probably causes you not one iota of harm (so we know you have nothing important in your life to worry about).
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Where am I lamenting loss of status? If they want to say they are some trendy term I couldn't give rats, just don't expect everyone to cater for it.

In this particular case, yes

How do you know hearing about this did me no harm? Why do you minimise my experiences?
 
cullennz said:
Where am I lamenting loss of status? If they want to say they are some trendy term I couldn't give rats, just don't expect everyone to cater for it.

In this particular case, yes

How do you know hearing about this did me no harm? Why do you minimise my experiences?
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Because...

No, you know what? **** that.

You're a cishet white male and you have absolutely no right to suggest that your experiences are in any way comparable to those of a community of people who have been on the receiving end of systematic discrimination, had their identities erased, been told that they don't exist or are wrong about their experience. You comparing your experience to theirs - and using it as an argument for why you should be able to continue your discrimination and erasure - isn't just fallacious, it's a direct and deliberate insult, and you know it.

Silence helps the oppressor. I'm calling you out, cullennz.
 
The usual Sydney suburban train announcements by people, i.e. the non-automated ones, go something like:

"CLICK! BZZZZZZ! The BWOWP trNNNN NN PlatfSQUEAL! goes to SQUELCH QUELCH SQUELCH is SSSSSSSHH! minutes late. CLICK BZZZZ! Two sugars ple..."

With heavy overmodulation and in a very thick subcontinental accent. They successfully don't include anybody, so I suppose we should all be offended.
 
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arthwollipot said:
Because...



No, you know what? **** that.



You're a cishet white male and you have absolutely no right to suggest that your experiences are in any way comparable to those of a community of people who have been on the receiving end of systematic discrimination, had their identities erased, been told that they don't exist or are wrong about their experience. You comparing your experience to theirs - and using it as an argument for why you should be able to continue your discrimination and erasure - isn't just fallacious, it's a direct and deliberate insult, and you know it.



Silence helps the oppressor. I'm calling you out, cullennz.
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What systemic discrimination has this person received?

Assuming they identify as a person.

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Everybody's in the wrong here because it's public transportation. Nobody on it matters in the least, whatever their sex or sex-related circumstances are. Ugh. A train is just a bus that makes fewer stops, and a bus is just a pig sty that hasn't yet been flamethrowered to prevent hoof-and-mouth disease spreading. They shouldn't be making announcements other than apologizing for the stench and begging people to stop crapping in the seats.
 
Checkmite said:
I see we've come to the "deliberately obtuse" part of the act.
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We've come to the acting part of the act.

Where they use terminology they appear to disrespect in order to defend their own argument.

They are confused.

Next will be an apology, I hope, and a lesson learned.
 
Norman Alexander said:
The usual Sydney suburban train announcements by people, i.e. the non-automated ones, go something like:

"CLICK! BZZZZZZ! The BWOWP trNNNN NN PlatfSQUEAL! goes to SQUELCH QUELCH SQUELCH is SSSSSSSHH! minutes late. CLICK BZZZZ! Two sugars ple..."

With heavy overmodulation and in a very thick subcontinental accent. They successfully don't include anybody, so I suppose we should all be offended.
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This! If I were nonbinary and heard the announcement in the OP, I think I would have been too amazed that for once I could actually understand a train announcement to be offended by it.
 
Addressing passengers as "ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls" contains a lot of unnecessary words, when just a single word, "passengers" would cover everyone.

It's not only pithier, it isn't a newfangled "PC" word. The word is older than any of us.

The Sun is simply playing to crowd of old people who are upset that the times have changed and I see no reason why I need to feel put out by this. It doesn't affect me.

The apology was not a "grovelling" one either. It was a simple apology. To "grovel" means to "lie or crawl abjectly on the ground with one's face downwards" or to "act in an obsequious way in order to obtain someone's forgiveness or favour". The apology does not seem to fit either definition.
 
Puppycow said:
The apology was not a "grovelling" one either. It was a simple apology. To "grovel" means to "lie or crawl abjectly on the ground with one's face downwards" or to "act in an obsequious way in order to obtain someone's forgiveness or favour". The apology does not seem to fit either definition.
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But the situation didn't call for any apology whatsoever and none should have been offered. First, because there was absolutely zero intent to offend or hurt anyone's feelings and secondly, because no sane, rational person would have been offended or made uncomfortable by that announcement in the first place.

False, unnecessary apologies cheapen the concept of contrition and forgiveness.
 
Orphia Nay said:
We've come to the acting part of the act.

Where they use terminology they appear to disrespect in order to defend their own argument.

They are confused.

Next will be an apology, I hope, and a lesson learned.
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It's never happened in the past. Why hope for it now?
 
Puppycow said:
Addressing passengers as "ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls" contains a lot of unnecessary words, when just a single word, "passengers" would cover everyone.

It's not only pithier, it isn't a newfangled "PC" word. The word is older than any of us.
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Way to disrespect those there to pick up passengers, those dropping off passengers and the people that clean the trains when everyone gets off.
 
cullennz said:
Sometimes I wish I was some trendy other gender, rather than boring old "a dude".

They seem to have little to nothing actually important to get worried about.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14947...ses-non-binary-ladies-gentlemen-announcement/
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Perhaps they could stop using that announcement, and start using..

"Ladies, Gentlemen, Pangenders, Transgenders, Non-binarys, Agenders, Androgynes, Gender Nonconformists, Gender Questioners, Bi-genders, Gender Fluidals, Gender Variants, Neutrois, Genderqueers, Two-Spirits and others (apologies to anyone we missed)........."

What a humourless, banal, emotionally sterile world are living in now.
 
Norman Alexander said:
The usual Sydney suburban train announcements by people, i.e. the non-automated ones, go something like:

"CLICK! BZZZZZZ! The BWOWP trNNNN NN PlatfSQUEAL! goes to SQUELCH QUELCH SQUELCH is SSSSSSSHH! minutes late. CLICK BZZZZ! Two sugars ple..."
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As someone who has travelled on Sydney Suburban Trains more times than I care to remember, I can confirm without a doubt that this is an accurate description!
 
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