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Trump's Second Term

AmyStrange said:
You might be right, but I'm talking about hundreds of different usernames, and that seems like too much of a conspiracy theory to me.

Plus, how are they trolling them if they're agreeing with them?


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It sounds more like an internetty 4chan type pastime. Laughing behind their backs.
 
AmyStrange said:
Of course, it doesn't make sense but isn't that par for the course for the stupid republicans who are now the maga weirdoes?

Trust me, a lot of them in the msn and fox forums are crowing about the idea of getting rid of the free ride the demoCRAPs have been giving the poor since forever.


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Trump's inauguration was full of the insanely rich and powerful. This is all for their benefit. Not ordinary man in the street MAGA.
 
Musk scrapping our Social Security would leave about 30 million americans with no income. They will be stealing potato chips from the Dollar Store.
He has not found "150 year old man," so what is his plan?
 
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Trump's inauguration was full of the insanely rich and powerful. This is all for their benefit. Not ordinary man in the street MAGA.
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I've already proved that the maga weirdoes will do that very thing.

Just to own the libs.


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Tero said:
Musk scrapping our Social Security would leave about 30 million americans with no income.
He has not found "150 year old man," so what is his plan?
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Getting it privatized maybe.

How much money would rich stockholders make off that?


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Leave it up to a pair of billionaire bros to devastate America and American lives. It's not they or theirs that will suffer in the slightest.
 
angrysoba said:
When I say "It doesn't make sense" I don't mean from the perspective of trying to do something good. I am not naiive.

What I mean is that even internally there is no logic to making such a massive mess that you destroy social programs.

Step 1: Spin the debt completely out of control.
Step 2: Dismantle social security to pay back debt.
Step 3: ?????
Step 4: Profit.

What is even the point of Steps 1 and 2?
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Mmm. Again, actual context matters, not assumed context. The Two Santa Clauses strategy is fundamentally about political power, not about the good of the country. It rests on a backdrop of a group that was literally opposed to the middle class, because the middle class threatened hierarchical order with the rich and powerful uncontested on top and able to run rampant over the rest of us. Mudsill Theory and similar attempts to justify exploitation and maintaining permanent underclasses met and still meet with willing adherents among the groups that now find themselves attached to the Republican party. To single out a line from that previous quoting -

On the other hand, the GOP, he said, was widely seen as the party of Scrooge because they publicly opposed everything from Social Security and Medicare to unemployment insurance and food stamps.
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Destroying Social Security was and is an actual goal. Meanwhile, the debt just doesn't and didn't actually matter to them, from the start. They're not about good governance. Even profits aren't truly the goal, so much as a convenient excuse.
 
Aridas said:
Mmm. Again, actual context matters, not assumed context.
The Two Santa Clauses strategy is fundamentally about political power, not about the good of the country. It rests on a backdrop of a group that was literally opposed to the middle class, because the middle class threatened hierarchical order with the rich and powerful uncontested on top and able to run rampant over the rest of us. Mudsill Theory and similar attempts to justify exploitation and maintaining permanent underclasses met and still meet with willing adherents among the groups that now find themselves attached to the Republican party. To single out a line from that previous quoting -



Destroying Social Security was and is an actual goal. Meanwhile, the debt just doesn't and didn't actually matter to them, from the start. They're not about good governance. Even profits aren't truly the goal, so much as a convenient excuse.
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I know, I know, I KNOW!!!

But the Two Santa Clauses theory is not about cutting social security, which you say is a goal. It is about cutting taxes.

Cutting taxes appeals to voters! - That's why it makes sense for them to do it.

The fact that this then makes social security unsustainable is not their problem. They leave that up to those who care about good governance.

Then THEY can say, "Oh look, Dems are going to raise your taxes or cut your social security".

So... to go back to that point... It is NOT in the interests of the GOP to cut social security because that would upset their voters. And therefore it makes no sense to make the debt spiral out of control simply as a pretext to do what they don't want to do.
 
angrysoba said:
So... to go back to that point... It is NOT in the interests of the GOP to cut social security because that would upset their voters. And therefore it makes no sense to make the debt spiral out of control simply as a pretext to do what they don't want to do.
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Like I said, it may not be about cutting social security, but it could lead to privatizing it.

Rich stockholders would love that.


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angrysoba said:
I know, I know, I KNOW!!!

But the Two Santa Clauses theory is not about cutting social security, which you say is a goal. It is about cutting taxes.

Cutting taxes appeals to voters! - That's why it makes sense for them to do it.

The fact that this then makes social security unsustainable is not their problem. They leave that up to those who care about good governance.
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Going back to the article I poked at before - again, it actually is about cutting Social Security. The tax cuts are part of the means to that end. To repeat part of what was quoted before again -

Second, when a Democrat is in the White House, Republicans must scream about the national debt as loudly and frantically as possible, freaking out about how “our children will have to pay for it!” and “we have to cut spending to solve the crisis!” Shut down the government, crash the stock market, and damage US credibility around the world if necessary to stop Democrats from spending money.


This will force the Democrats in power to cut their own social safety net programs and even Social Security, thus shooting their welfare-of-the-American-people Santa Claus right in the face.
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You seem to be trying to make the point that they want the Democrats to actually do the deed, of course. Certainly, but that rather ignores reality, though. The GOP has, quite literally, been attacking SS and the like for a long, long time.

angrysoba said:
So... to go back to that point... It is NOT in the interests of the GOP to cut social security because that would upset their voters. And therefore it makes no sense to make the debt spiral out of control simply as a pretext to do what they don't want to do.
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Assuming that their voters actually blamed them for it. Just take a look at Zig to see how screwed up Republican voters can get on that subject, like with just about all the subjects that involve actually responsible government.

Literally, he's trying to argue that Democrats are horrendously bad for the debt and Republicans are our saviors when Democrats have consistently moved things significantly in a positive direction and Republicans have consistently made the debt skyrocket. There is some nuance there, yes, but he ends up arguing that Trump ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ all over the Constitution to make wildly harmful things happen would somehow be a solution. You certainly have points of note, were Republicans working with reality. To be blunt, most Trump voters are not, and Republicans voted overwhelmingly for Trump. There's still plenty of Republicans that hate Obamacare and will vote Republican to destroy it and love the ACA that lets them access decent affordable insurance, nevermind that those are one and the same.
 
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Andy_Ross said:
Elon knows why there are so many complaints about his investigating entitlements.
Elon Musk on X said:
The REAL reason so many Democrats are upset about entitlements (social security, medical, etc) fraud investigations is that they are using your taxpayer money as handouts to attract and retain ILLEGAL immigrants. Their future voters.
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Has anyone told him illegals don't vote?
 
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Aridas said:
Going back to the article I poked at before - again, it actually is about cutting Social Security. The tax cuts are part of the means to that end. To repeat part of what was quoted before again -



You seem to be trying to make the point that they want the Democrats to actually do the deed, of course. Certainly, but that rather ignores reality, though. The GOP has, quite literally, been attacking SS and the like for a long, long time.



Assuming that their voters actually blamed them for it. Just take a look at Zig to see how screwed up Republican voters can get on that subject, like with just about all the subjects that involve actually responsible government.

Literally, he's trying to argue that Democrats are horrendously bad for the debt and Republicans are our saviors when Democrats have consistently moved things significantly in a positive direction and Republicans have consistently made the debt skyrocket. There is some nuance there, yes, but he ends up arguing that Trump ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ all over the Constitution to make wildly harmful things happen would somehow be a solution. You certainly have points of note, were Republicans working with reality. To be blunt, most Trump voters are not, and Republicans voted overwhelmingly for Trump. There's still plenty of Republicans that hate Obamacare and will vote Republican to destroy it and love the ACA that lets them access decent affordable insurance, nevermind that those are one and the same.
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Yes, but you and the article are both making the point I made, contrary to Amy Strange.

I am not saying the Republicans are not trying to get Social Security cut.

I am saying there is no way that they want to be the ones to do it.

It would literally make no sense even from the most cynical viewpoint that they would drive up the debt and then cut social security. That is one of the few ways they would actually get on the other end of the pitchforks.

Sure, cut foreign aid. Nobody cares about people dying of AIDS and malaria in Bongo Bongo Land (as one UKIP politican once called it).
Sure, cut the Dept of Education - just a bunch of Commie Pinko Vegan Trans Libtard Muslim Atheists trying to groom your children after all.
Sure, cut Big Pharma who are just making vaccines to give your children autism and make them trans.
Sure, cut so-called science funding which is just a propagation of the climate hoax.
Sure, cut the nuclear power workers because of whatever anti-coal nonsense they are up to, probably.

Sure they can blame inflation caused by tarrifs on the Biden administration, for now, and he price of eggs is probably something to do with Biden and his bird flu hoax that is probably either invented or a bioweapon made in a Chinese lab.

But social security is not something they are likely to touch for now. That would be a bit too dangerous. In my humble opinion.

But who knows, maybe they might just funnel it straight into their pockets.
 
As of the close of the day on February 17, my positive/negative score on the Trump administration stands at -145.

+1: US drops statement on a web site saying it does not support Taiwan independence, angering China
-1: Tom Homan (US Border Czar) confirms on Fox News that he's asked the DOJ to investigate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
-1: Musk claims Democrats use social security and medical entitlements to entice illegal immigrants, who then vote for them [35]
-1: Musk asks to prove a negative: "Who is confirming that gold wasn’t stolen from Fort Knox?" [36]

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35. Musk: "The REAL reason so many Democrats are upset about entitlements (social security, medical, etc) fraud investigations is that they are using your taxpayer money as handouts to attract and retain ILLEGAL immigrants. Their future voters. That’s what it’s all about."

36. Musk: "Who is confirming that gold wasn’t stolen from Fort Knox? Maybe it’s there, maybe it’s not. That gold is owned by the American public! We want to know if it’s still there."
 
I'm just watching the LegalEagle Youtube video about Trump's DOJ wanting to drop charges against Eric Adams.


A number of principled prosecutors have resigned instead of carrying out the DOJ's instructions.

It seems to be yet another example of the Trump administration's disdain for the law.
 
angrysoba said:
Yes, but you and the article are both making the point I made, contrary to Amy Strange.

I am not saying the Republicans are not trying to get Social Security cut.

I am saying there is no way that they want to be the ones to do it.

It would literally make no sense even from the most cynical viewpoint that they would drive up the debt and then cut social security. That is one of the few ways they would actually get on the other end of the pitchforks.

Sure, cut foreign aid. Nobody cares about people dying of AIDS and malaria in Bongo Bongo Land (as one UKIP politican once called it).
Sure, cut the Dept of Education - just a bunch of Commie Pinko Vegan Trans Libtard Muslim Atheists trying to groom your children after all.
Sure, cut Big Pharma who are just making vaccines to give your children autism and make them trans.
Sure, cut so-called science funding which is just a propagation of the climate hoax.
Sure, cut the nuclear power workers because of whatever anti-coal nonsense they are up to, probably.

Sure they can blame inflation caused by tarrifs on the Biden administration, for now, and he price of eggs is probably something to do with Biden and his bird flu hoax that is probably either invented or a bioweapon made in a Chinese lab.

But social security is not something they are likely to touch for now. That would be a bit too dangerous. In my humble opinion.

But who knows, maybe they might just funnel it straight into their pockets.
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i don't think that these guys are as smart as they think they are. just because it makes no sense and would end badly doesn't mean they won't do it, they think they're smarter than the experts. as they've demonstrated over and over.

what's it all for? gdp growth. it's all about gdp growth, keep you in debt, keep medical care unaffordable, tie your retirement and healthcare to your job, pull back child labor laws, push out retirement. you need to work 60 hours a week to drive up productivity, to drive up gdp. cut spending, cut taxes, keep the money in the hands of businesses producing to drive up gdp. it's the only measurement of success they have.
 
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