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Trump's Second Term

Segnosaur said:
I guess the Trump administration is not even going to TRY to use the whole "freedom and democracy" angle/justification.
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Get real!

The last thing Trump wants in Venezuela is a democratically elected legitimate government. Because they could refute any deal made by the previous illegitimate government with Trump. Almost certainly any legitimate government would be elected on a platform of Venezuelan oil for Venezuelans.

It actually serves Trumps interests to have a dictatorial authority in Venezuela subject to US / Trump intimidation. You keep the people in line, you keep the oil running and we won't lock you up or kill you. We'll lift sanctions and you'll be able to save a few millions in a Swiss bank account for your retirement.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Wasn't he telling us China and Russia won't be getting any oil?

Trump: One thing I will tell them, we are open for business. China can buy all the oil they want from us there or in the US. Russia can get all the oil they need from us

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009724919098077260
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I thought there were sanctions on Russia (admittedly Russia and Iran are nett exporters so allowing them to import something they have an excess of isn't do them any favours).
 
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thaiboxerken said:
Looks like I was wrong to say that Trump wants to cancel elections in 2026. Instead, he wants to take over the elections...
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He made this claim a few months ago, and it was debunked then.

"Data compiled by a Sweden-based organization that advocates for democracy globally found in an October 2024 report found that 34 countries or territories allow mail-in voting, which it refers to as "postal voting.""

www.pbs.org

Fact-checking Trump's claim the U.S. is the 'only country' that uses mail-in voting

President Donald Trump vowed to take action against voting by mail, which he said makes the United States an outlier.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org
 
Jack by the hedge said:
It seems unlikely they'll have budgeted for any extra cost in administering the change. When they can't cope, it should be a great time for people who want to move a lot of cash around unnoticed.

So, trying to look like they're doing something about financial crime appears likely to create opportunities to make it worse.
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My second question, incidentally, would have been whether this whole thing is nothing more than a tactic to make it easier for the actual wrongdoers to get away with it by overwhelming the checkers.

Segnosaur said:
It should also be noted that the national deficit went up EVERY YEAR that Trump was in office in his first term. (Not just during the Covid years, when you might expect an increase due to emergency spending, but even during the 'good years'.)

It almost seems like republicans don't ACTUALLY care about the debt, but they just want to use it as a political tool to destroy stuff they "don't like".
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Not just during Trump, though. The Two Santa Clauses Strategy has been ongoing and embraced by the Republican Party since Reagan.

Nihilianth said:
FALSE! Trump made well over half a billion dollars in profits to all of his trips to his own property at Mar-a-Lago, both in his first term, and now so far in this term. And more recently, he spent several more millions of dollars taking a stupid lap around a NASCAR track in a limo like Hitler did during the Olympics.

Remember when you Republicans were screaming your heads off about Obama going golfing? Trump went golfing more times in his first four years in office, than both Bush and Obama did combined, in 16 years! And to top it off, Trump has profited off of his golfing trips to his own property.

Extreme corruption. Extreme government spending on little to no real future investments. Extreme tax cuts on the wealthy. Yeah. Republicans are real great at getting us out of debt. :ROFLMAO:
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Ehh. After his first term, it was reported that Trump did indeed lose money. Globally, his business incomes sagged quite a lot as he gave nigh everyone reason to hate him, workers became more likely to work from home, and, related to that, COVID's effect was no joke worldwide. In short, he lost money even after the horrendous corruption he was caught engaging in. It's harder to say whether his family came out ahead overall after one includes things like those massive bribes that Kushner and his daughter (who worked by him in the White House) received, of course.

With that said, there truly is a very good chance that, if Trump lost, he would have ended up with notably more money than he did (and so would most Americans), so becoming President likely did mean that he lost money. It's just that Zig's attempted argument back then was taking a truth, ignoring the context, and trying to pretend that it meant that the situation was almost completely the opposite of what it was. Hardly a new tactic for him, either way.
 
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