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Trump's promised ICE raids have begun

dirtywick said:
well now they're torturing them in el salvadoran hell hole's when they're not shooting innocent people in the face. and you don't have a problem with any of it, anyway. to you that was one of obama's finest moments.
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So foreign criminals are in foreign jails. And I don't have to blame an unrelated administration for it. Nor do I need to gaslight anyone into believing another admin was responsible for it.

Look. It's horrible and sad that the lady was shot and killed in this situation. I sympathize with her family and do find stuff like Noems' terrorism commnets about her totally inappropriate and insensitive to the fact that she was still a parent and her next of kin now have to hold a funeral along with dealing was a hell hole of drama. I objectively can't emphasize enough that she didn't deserve what happened to her.

That being said the inability of most here to look at the totality of the situation is worse because it encourages situations like this to repeat.

And unfortunately nothing I post here is likely to change the trajectory. As evidenced by the mere disagreement causing this gigantic festival of vitriol. I have nothing more to say on this. Nor do I care at this point what you think of my character. You and others are not discussing this issue in any form of good faith
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
But the inability of most here to look at the totality of the situation is worse because it encourages situations like this to repeat.
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No. Your notion of "totality" has been just to cherry-pick the parts of the occurrence that support your desire to blame the victim.

Grizzly Bear said:
And unfortunately nothing I post here is likely to change the trajectory.
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You have been told why your argument is unconvincing. You can either engage with that or complain.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
And unfortunately nothing I post here is likely to change the trajectory. As evidenced by the mere disagreement causing this gigantic festival of vitriol. I have nothing more to say on this. Nor do I care at this point what you think of my character.
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And vice-versa.

Obviously, facts or the truth won't change your trajectory either.

I wonder why not.
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
...Nor do I care at this point what you think of my character...
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Obviously not but thanks for the "laugh" reaction*.

I love them. Please, keep 'em coming, and thanks for also helping to prove me right again.

BTW, you still haven't answered my question, why won't facts and the truth change your trajectory?


ETA: I just got another "laugh" reaction from GB... YEEEEEEEEEEEha!!!

Who said mind control wasn't easy.



*Pssssssssssst... there are a bunch of my post that you missed.
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
So foreign criminals are in foreign jails. And I don't have to blame an unrelated administration for it. Nor do I need to gaslight anyone into believing another admin was responsible for it.

Look. It's horrible and sad that the lady was shot and killed in this situation. I sympathize with her family and do find stuff like Noems' terrorism commnets about her totally inappropriate and insensitive to the fact that she was still a parent and her next of kin now have to hold a funeral along with dealing was a hell hole of drama. I objectively can't emphasize enough that she didn't deserve what happened to her.

That being said the inability of most here to look at the totality of the situation is worse because it encourages situations like this to repeat.

And unfortunately nothing I post here is likely to change the trajectory. As evidenced by the mere disagreement causing this gigantic festival of vitriol. I have nothing more to say on this. Nor do I care at this point what you think of my character. You and others are not discussing this issue in any form of good faith
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bad faith would be if i was saying things i don't really think and wasting your time. i am not. bad faith would be something like describing kristi noem lying about the incident as merely inappropriate, and saying the real problem is the people here. that's an insane thing to say, which is why nothing you post here is likely to change anyone's mind. because these are crazy things you are writing. so i don't really feel like it's in bad faith on my end.

finally, i know you don't care but i'll tell you anyway: it's a lack of character. this isn't one of those complex moral conundrums. federal agents shouldn't just be shooting women in front of their kids while wrangling up anyone that looks brown enough, and you should be against that. this is an easy one.
 
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causing this gigantic festival of vitriol. I have nothing more to say on this
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Yeah, I doubt it, but thanks for another "laugh" reaction! Keep 'em coming... Please.




Whoever said mind control wasn't easy was lying.
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ETA: You can see the proof below... muahahahahahaha

Maga is so easy.
 
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AmyStrange said:
Whoever said mind control wasn't easy was lying.​
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I'll stop now before I get accused of bickering again, but before I go...


ETA: Even more proof below... muahahahahahahaha

Must've realized their mind was under my control and changed their reaction.

Maga is so easy.
 
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JayUtah said:
No. Your notion of "totality" has been just to cherry-pick the parts of the occurrence that support your desire to blame the victim.
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Your comment suggests that what happened is limited to the short video of the confrontation., and. you're implying that I am not allowed (or I am somehow irrational or bigoted - choose your term) to point out that she chose to protest ICE's activity by actively and directly becoming confrontational with them. She obviously agitated the situation enough for them to stop and and order her out of the vehicle. She not only refused to do so, she then pressed the gas to accelerate her vehicle in a manner that could have not only put the agents at risk, but also other protestors in the surroundings.

Whether she intended to run that agent over - or not. Her decision to gun that vehicle lead to someone else having to make split-second decision. You can try to guilt trip me day in and day out about how I'm blaming the victim, but clearly you believe actions don't have consequences. I do. That doesn't mean I think she deserved her fate, but I'm not going to pussy foot around because you want me to be politically correct. End of story.

Even if you still think ICE went WAY overboard, if you're unwilling to analyze the lead up to the event, how do you expect to have proper discourse regarding this? That's what I'm trying to understand.

JayUtah said:
You have been told why your argument is unconvincing. You can either engage with that or complain.
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And I have explained to you that repeatedly that you're argument is unconvincing because you think accountability for actions is a one-way street. Additionally not a peep from you or anyone else trying to understand the events preceding the shooting. The bottom line is her death was preventable. She could have chosen to protest like other people did from a safe position without directly putting herself at risk. If she had opted for that route, we would not be quipping about this. But it's your rationalization that every ICE agent is a neo-nazi that gets you here.

Either way, we seem to agree that there is no convincing the other. So do what you will with this answer.
 
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