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Trump's promised ICE raids have begun

The NYT actually showed some tiny sign of journalistic integrity and pressed Trump on the issue. He struck back claiming videos proved his claims were accurate. He even brought over and aide to show he was right. It didn't go well.

Mr. Trump’s aide Natalie Harp brought a laptop over to the Resolute Desk to show us what he said would be evidence of the woman’s wrongdoing.

Before the video began, Mr. Trump acknowledged the tragic nature of the shooting. “With all of it being said, no, I don’t like that happening,” he said, before pivoting to his common refrain of criticizing illegal immigration.

As a slow-motion surveillance video of the shooting played on the laptop, we told him that this angle did not appear to show that an ICE officer had been run over.

“Well,” Mr. Trump said. “I — the way I look at it … ”

“It’s a terrible scene,” Mr. Trump said at the end of the video. “I think it’s horrible to watch. No, I hate to see it.”

But did this fatal shooting mean his ICE operation had gone too far? Mr. Trump sidestepped the question, instead blaming his predecessor’s immigration policies.

 
You're mistaken, I did not vote for the president who had inappropriate showers with his prepubescent daughter or Bill Clinton.

Cool. Here's one of the January 6th cop-hating criminals you voted to set free:

January 6 rioter who was pardoned by Trump arrested for child sexual abuse

How does it feel to have directly facilitated child sex abuse? Is it more or less of an adrenaline rush than coming into this thread and disingenuously preaching about supporting law and order?
 
Video of a Baltimore police officer being ran over and killed in a similar situation earlier this year. I guess death is a small price to pay to not be called a nazi and a coward by a bunch of ◊◊◊◊◊◊ leftists.

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Between the time you voted to pardon hundreds of cop-assaulting criminals and now, when did you decide to pretend to care about the safety of law enforcement officers?

Was it before or after one of the criminals you helped set free molested a child?
 
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Not AI. Here is the same video but this time slowed down, it shows the exact same impact as the other video.


Between the time you ignored countless videos of criminals assaulting cops, voted to pardon all of them and now, when did you decide to pretend to care what a video depicted?

Was it before or after one of the criminals you helped set free molested a child?
 
This reads like pure victim blaming.
If I wanted to victim blame her for the entire scenario I wouldn't be wasting time acknowledging that the agent involved in the shooting may not have been in the kind of danger that would warrant lethal force. I'm just pointing out that her actions leading up to the incident very likely contributed to the escalation. It doesn't make the agent's actions necessarily right, but I'm of the opinion that it could have been averted if people acted differently. Whether that took the form of her NOT interfering with the immigration enforcement or be it if the agent handled the situation more calmy from their end. Unfortunately that's something you only get from hindsight, which won't bring her back or change the current outcome.

When you can stop gaslighting with that knee jerk response argument referencing me as a victim blamer... Maybe this discussion can become more productive. But at the moment I don't see that happening. You already didn't acknowledge the nuance I gave I previous posts. I have no expectation of getting that courtesy.
 
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If I wanted to victim blame her for the entire scenario I wouldn't be wasting time acknowledging that the agent involved in the shooting may not have been in the kind of danger that would warrant lethal force. I'm just pointing out that her actions leading up to the incident very likely contributed to the escalation. It doesn't make the agent's actions necessarily right, but I'm of the opinion that it could have been averted if people acted differently. Whether that took the form of her NOT interfering with the immigration enforcement or be it if the agent handled the situation more calmy from their end. Unfortunately that's something you only get from hindsight, which won't bring her back or change the current outcome.

When you can stop gaslighting with that knee jerk response argument referencing me as a victim blamer... Maybe this discussion can become more productive. But at the moment I don't see that happening. You already didn't acknowledge the nuance I gave I previous posts. I have no expectation of getting that courtesy.
What is the point of this? Yes, there were a number of choices of people involved that led to that fatal moment. Do you intend to list them all? If Renee had never gotten out of bed that morning, she'd probably still be alive. If the battle of Hastings had gone the other way...
 
That’s a lot of words that essentially ignore that the reason this happened is that Trump is using untrained, trigger-happy goons to scare the public. But it’s easier for you to victim blame.
Part of the problem is that sanctuary cities and states would rather encourage illegal immigration at any cost rather than enforce immigration law. Obama deported way more people than Trump at this stage of his term but had less fan fair with it because the states cooperated more with his administration at the time.

Over the years the party has done a pretty good job since then at convincing their base that deportation of illegal immigrants is criminal and savage because of the change in hands over the helm. Gouding them into actively rioting (while calling burning looting "mostly peaceful protests") and agitating any time the federal enforcement has to act without any state cooperation.

When you call me a racist, victim blaming scumbag, just keep Obama's administration in mind. People objecting to current immigration policy have long forgotten what they once supported.
 
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her NOT interfering with the immigration enforcement
How exactly was she interfering? The assumption seems to be that she was blocking their way (?) but she expressly waved them around her when they approached her vehicle, and her car was not completely blocking the road. So seems like a pretty weak allegation. Makes more sense that they were itching to be abusive thugs.
 
Part of the problem is that sanctuary cities and states would rather encourage illegal immigration at any cost rather than enforce immigration law.
Even if that were true, what part of that problem is solved by creating an untrained, trigger-happy national police force, imposing them on skeptical local jurisdictions, and declaring them to be above the law? Local jurisdictions do not enforce immigration laws because the Constitution says they don't have to. That's the rule of law. What part of the modern ICE force is rule of law? It's pure thuggery and intimidation. "Just do what we say and no one will get hurt" is pretty far from the rule of law.
 
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Part of the problem is that sanctuary cities and states would rather encourage illegal immigration at any cost rather than enforce immigration law. Obama deported way more people than Trump at this stage of his term but had less fan fair with it because the states cooperated more with his administration at the time.

Over the years the party has done a pretty good job since then at convincing their base that deportation of illegal immigrants is criminal and savage because of the change in hands over the helm. Gouding them into actively rioting (while calling burning looting "mostly peaceful protests") and agitating any time the federal enforcement has to act without any state cooperation.

When you call me a racist, victim blaming scumbag, just keep Obama's administration in mind. People objecting to current immigration policy have long forgotten what they once supported.

Part of the reason we have lawless armed thugs roaming the streets of America is because of these deranged right wing talking points I memorized from Fox News.
 
yeah don't you remember when obama sent a bunch of tattooed neo nazis in masks to shoot women in the face

what the ◊◊◊◊ are you even talking about
No. But I distinctly remember how his administration kept immigrants in cages that you would call concentration camps if we use the current favored vernacular
 
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these guys are just walking around normal neighborhoods dressed like they're in baghdad and terrorizing people in normal people's businesses and arresting their employees, crashing their cars into people and shooting them. and when the cops aren't standing by doing nothing they're teargassing and beating people protesting this pretty real and actual abuse of government power. it's disgusting, you should be concerned if you don't see that.

i expect trump and his basket of deplorables, which they really are because stephen miller is an actual ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ real deal neo nazi arranging this all, to say what they're saying. but, you don't need to go along with it out of habit. it's ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ weird and i don't understand what you're getting out of it. new wars and tanking the economy? pardoning drug lords and serial fraud? you guys don't want to talk about that. you guys don't want to talk about jack smith testifying he stole dozens of boxes of secrets and refused to return them and tried to hide them and his guilt and all the evidence of the election fraud he tried to commit. instead you're going to sit there and try play pretend that it's normal for immigration agents to harass people and shoot women in the face in front of their kids.

like, ◊◊◊◊ off
 
No. But I distinctly remember how his administration kept immigrants in cages that you would call concentration camps if we use the current favored vernacular

well now they're torturing them in el salvadoran hell hole's when they're not shooting innocent people in the face. and you don't have a problem with any of it, anyway. to you that was one of obama's finest moments.
 

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