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Trump's Executions Drive

angrysoba said:
Yeah, part of my problem with this whole thing is... that the controversy is around whether or not it is seemly to do this during a transistion. Is that really the point?

People are opposed to Trump because these are happening during a transitition, whereas the Democrats are saying, "Oh puh-leaze! wait until we get to do it!"
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Horse ****.

Prior to Trump there hadn't been a Federal Execution since 2003 and the first during the lame duck period in over 130 years.

We went the entire Obama Administration and like... 3/4ths of the Bush administration without one.

I doubt Biden and Harris were just waiting on January to roll around so they could clear out Death Row. Spare me the "Stop making it about Trump" hysterics. He's literally going on a killing spree because his dick feels small because he lost an election and we're being mean by not letting him steal it back.
 
catsmate said:
I await your science based justification for the supposed deterrent effect of execution.
:rolleyes:
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To be fair, that was a reference to the huge number of murders committed by people sentenced to life without parole.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Horse ****.

Prior to Trump there hadn't been a Federal Execution since 2003 and the first during the lame duck period in over 130 years.

We went the entire Obama Administration and like... 3/4ths of the Bush administration without one.

I doubt Biden and Harris were just waiting on January to roll around so they could clear out Death Row. Spare me the "Stop making it about Trump" hysterics. He's literally going on a killing spree because his dick feels small because he lost an election and we're being mean by not letting him steal it back.
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Biden has said he wants to abolish the federal death penalty and encourage the states to do so. Trump wants to get as many executions in as possible before that happens. He'll be a WINNER!

As Donald Trump’s presidency winds down, his administration is ratcheting up the pace of federal executions despite a surge of coronavirus cases in prisons, announcing plans for five starting Thursday and concluding just days before the Jan. 20 inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden.

If the five go off as planned, it will make 13 executions since July when the Republican administration resumed putting inmates to death after a 17-year hiatus and will cement Trump's legacy as the most prolific execution president in over 130 years. He'll leave office having executed about a quarter of all federal death-row prisoners, despite waning support for capital punishment among both Democrats and Republicans.
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wir...death-penalty-legacy-biden-inaugural-74579070
 
JoeMorgue said:
The Bible calls for a lot of stuff including stuff that contradicts almost all the other stuff.
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This.

Sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised by a post that actually indicates the member has a working knowledge of what he or she is commenting about.

To quote the late John Prine:

"Jesus don't like killing no matter what the reason's for."
 
TragicMonkey said:
This thread is about Trump, choosing this time to suddenly pursue a bunch of executions. One needn't have a position for or against the death penalty to want to discuss why now, why this, in the middle of much more important events. Not everything must skew immediately to a discussion of "I like it!" or "I hate it!" to the eclipsing of all else.

I'm neither for nor against tapdancing, but were Trump to suddenly call press conferences and tapdance for eight hours at a time every day on the White House portico you can bet people would want to discuss that, and it wouldn't necessarily require every participant to be either for or against tapdance in general.
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For.
 
Mader Levap said:
Somehow you guys always forget about "preventing that happening again" part. I guess it is easy to forget arguments that are harder to defeat. :rolleyes:

Sometimes it is just about physical elimination of someone that, if gotten free, would do it again and again and again...
Like shooting down rabid dog. It is not dog's fault it got infected and went nuts. It will still be killed.
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That is one of the few uses of the death penalty that is appropriate in my view; inmates who continue to kill behind bars or even order hits on people out in the streets.

The last meaningful arrow in the quiver for prosecutors against killers already serving life.
 
Okay deep breath and back in the real world people.

This ain't the comic books. Super-villains aren't breaking out of cardboard prisons every other week and continuing their dastardly schemes.

People breaking out of prison and then killing again can't be that high on actual real world things we need to worry about.

"Life Imprisonment" solves the "Keeps them from killing again." Yes I'm sure cases of it happening have occurred but seems like "Just make prisons better" is a thing we can do.

If the breakout... we can fix that.

If they kill in prison... we can fix that.
 
I suppose a part of why Christians can be so screwed up is that the first half of the Buy Bull is all Law 'n Order and Crime 'n Punishment and incest and enslavement and rape and revenge and murder and a sociopathic Gawd who demands blood sacrifice and clamorous obeisance. Then in the second half comes along this socialistic commie hippy with talk of turning the other cheek and forgiveness and giving up your wealth and caring for the disadvantaged and quietly communing with the Heavenly Father in private.

Jeez, how do you to try to reconcile that without cognitive whiplash?
 
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@JoeMorgue

I'm just suggesting a rational basis for the death penalty to minimize it as much as possible. As you say, it isn't that high on actual real world things to worry about. And it's much easier to collect evidence of murder in prison.
 
Venom said:
The turn the other cheek thing is probably actually about preserving your dignity (for ancient Near Easterners).
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Probably? That's what I love ( :rolleyes: ) about interpreting the Bible. There are as many ways to interpret it as flavors of jelly beans.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Horse ****.

Prior to Trump there hadn't been a Federal Execution since 2003 and the first during the lame duck period in over 130 years.

We went the entire Obama Administration and like... 3/4ths of the Bush administration without one.

I doubt Biden and Harris were just waiting on January to roll around so they could clear out Death Row. Spare me the "Stop making it about Trump" hysterics. He's literally going on a killing spree because his dick feels small because he lost an election and we're being mean by not letting him steal it back.
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Federal maybe, but president, no.

Rolling Stone:
No state executes as many people as Texas, and no American governor has put more people to death than the state’s current governor, George W. Bush, who on August 3rd will be nominated as the GOP’s presidential candidate. Bush has signed off on 135 executions since he took office in 1995, about one death every two weeks.
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JoeMorgue said:
Horse ****.

Prior to Trump there hadn't been a Federal Execution since 2003 and the first during the lame duck period in over 130 years.

We went the entire Obama Administration and like... 3/4ths of the Bush administration without one.

I doubt Biden and Harris were just waiting on January to roll around so they could clear out Death Row. Spare me the "Stop making it about Trump" hysterics. He's literally going on a killing spree because his dick feels small because he lost an election and we're being mean by not letting him steal it back.
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Stacyhs said:
Biden has said he wants to abolish the federal death penalty and encourage the states to do so. Trump wants to get as many executions in as possible before that happens. He'll be a WINNER!


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wir...death-penalty-legacy-biden-inaugural-74579070
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Hey, if Biden and Harris want to end capital punishment then that's great. Indeed, that then does make it a massive problem that Trump is trying to kill as many people as possible. And not just with Covid.
 
catsmate said:
Somehow you guys always forget about "preventing that happening again" part.
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I await your science based justification for the supposed deterrent effect of execution. :rolleyes:
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...really?
Newflash for you: executed people cannot murder (or do anything for that matter) anymore. This is what I referred to and no one else (even angrysoba) had problem with understanding what I meant.
 
Mader Levap said:
Nope...
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By the way, you forgot to answer my question:

Mader Levap said:
Somehow you guys always forget about "preventing that happening again" part. I guess it is easy to forget arguments that are harder to defeat. :rolleyes:
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angrysoba said:
Who are "you guys"?
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Are "you guys" people against the death penalty? That sounds weird indeed given that you claim to be one of "you guys" and there you are reminding me of an argument about how the point of the death penalty is to put people down like rabid dogs.
 
Lurch said:
I suppose a part of why Christians can be so screwed up is that the first half of the Buy Bull is all Law 'n Order and Crime 'n Punishment and incest and enslavement and rape and revenge and murder and a sociopathic Gawd who demands blood sacrifice and clamorous obeisance. Then in the second half comes along this socialistic commie hippy with talk of turning the other cheek and forgiveness and giving up your wealth and caring for the disadvantaged and quietly communing with the Heavenly Father in private.

Jeez, how do you to try to reconcile that without cognitive whiplash?
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Some versions of Gnosticism decided that the Old Testament God and the New Testament God were two different beings. They were branded as heretics, needless to say.
 
For all the handwringing people do over "How can they reconcile these two obviously contradictory statements..." the answer is always the same.

By just not worrying about it and enjoying winning two completely different victories in two completely different circumstances.
 
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