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Trump's Coup d'état.

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Skeptic Ginger said:
Not sure why these things keep getting brought up. SCOTUS already ruled, faithless electors are not legal.
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IIRC, the Court ruled that States can slap a faithless elector with a fine and enforce existing laws, and replace them in the EC, not that they were illegal votes
 
d4m10n said:
But wait, there's more.

If Trump cannot prevail in lawsuits in PA and other swing states, he can perhaps convince GOP-majority state legislatures to appoint slates of electors in lieu of the ones chosen by voters.
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I previously wrote a post speculating that could happen. I was wrong.

The legislature has the authority to establish the rule for choosing the electors. They can pretty much do it how ever they want. However, the laws have to be established prior to election day (well, they can do it after but it would make the appointment of electors inconclusive).

It is the governor who has the authority over certification of the electors. The legislature could choose to establish their own slate of electors. The governor could then submit his own.

The U.S. Constitution specifically lays out what happens in that case. The U.S. House and Senate would each vote on which slate of electors to accept. If the House and Senate do not agree, the electors certified by the state executive (the governor) are accepted.

Governor could get up to some shenanigans, but out of WI, PA, NV, AZ, and GA only AZ and GA have Republican Governors, which (it currently appears) isn't enough to change the outcome of the election.
 
A Trump coup would be over before it began. His people are not keyed into the Deep State. Trump seeks attention more than power. It'd be easier to sell Cheeto von Tweeto on another "comeback" narrative. He can call it "My Struggle."
 
Thermal said:
IIRC, the Court ruled that States can slap a faithless elector with a fine and enforce existing laws, and replace them in the EC, not that they were illegal votes
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Just to expand a little. Only 33 states have laws against faithless electors.
Georgia and Pennsylvania are among those that don't.

And of those 33, only 14 have laws that cancel and replace a faithless vote.
Wisconsin has a law, but no penalty or cancellation.


https://www.fairvote.org/faithless_elector_state_laws


It was on my mind more when it looked like Biden may have had the bare 270.
If just one elector had dropped ship (say to vote for Bernie Sanders) then no candidate would have the required 270 and congress would select the winners. That would mean a President Biden with his Vice president Pence.

Since we're higher above that threshhold, we'd need a bunch of states flipping and a ridiculous amount of elector defection to change the outcome. Nothing's impossible, but pretty unlikely.
 
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Cain said:
A Trump coup would be over before it began. His people are not keyed into the Deep State. Trump seeks attention more than power. It'd be easier to sell Cheeto von Tweeto on another "comeback" narrative. He can call it "My Struggle."
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Terrible title. He needs to play up his underdog, outsider status a little more. Highlight the immigration journey his family took. How does that translate to German?
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
Governor could get up to some shenanigans, but out of WI, PA, NV, AZ, and GA only AZ and GA have Republican Governors, which (it currently appears) isn't enough to change the outcome of the election.
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So all they really need is for Trump-appointed justices to throw out the results in PA (based on this theory) along with GOP state legislatures to overturn the electors in AZ and GA. Boom.
 
Cavemonster said:
Just to expand a little. Only 33 states have laws against faithless electors.
Georgia and Pennsylvania are among those that don't.

And of those 33, only 14 have laws that cancel and replace a faithless vote.
Wisconsin has a law, but no penalty or cancellation.


https://www.fairvote.org/faithless_elector_state_laws


It was on my mind more whe
n it looked like Biden may have had the bare 270.
If just one elector had dropped ship (say to vote for Bernie Sanders) then no candidate would have the required 270 and congress would select the winners. That would mean a President Biden with his Vice president Pence.

Since we're higher above that threshhold, we'd need a bunch of states flipping and a ridiculous amount of elector defection to change the outcome. Nothing's impossible, but pretty unlikely.
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Yes, and again IIRC, some of the faithless electors were making a symbolic protest vote, and knew they weren't flipping the table. A few saying "Trump? Hell no" and "I luv Bern" but knowing it wouldn't have teeth in the final count.
 
Thermal said:
Yes, and again IIRC, some of the faithless electors were making a symbolic protest vote, and knew they weren't flipping the table. A few saying "Trump? Hell no" and "I luv Bern" but knowing it wouldn't have teeth in the final count.
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I don't believe faithless electors have ever effected the president. However, Maga Koolaid is STRONG stuff. And these "I used to be a democrat until Trump swept me off my feet" guys are real. A friend of mine was married to one.

If the election really was one secret MAGA hat away from being stolen, I don't know how well I'd be sleeping.
 
Cavemonster said:
I don't believe faithless electors have ever effected the president. However, Maga Koolaid is STRONG stuff. And these "I used to be a democrat until Trump swept me off my feet" guys are real. A friend of mine was married to one.

If the election really was one secret MAGA hat away from being stolen, I don't know how well I'd be sleeping.
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Tru dat. Especially if s/he was in an unregulated State and their flip would immortalize them and change the course of history. All the more reason to regulate an EC voter's options at the State level for any eventuality
 
There may actually be something to be concerned about here....

Washington (CNN)The Trump administration has carried out sweeping changes atop the Defense Department's civilian leadership structure, removing several of its most senior officials and replacing them with perceived loyalists to the President.

The flurry of changes, announced by the Department of Defense in a statement roughly 24 hours after President Donald Trump fired Defense Secretary Mark Esper, have put officials inside the Pentagon on edge and fueled a growing sense of alarm among military and civilian officials, who are concerned about what could come next.
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In my opinion, Trump is too big coward to do anything drastic. He will do anything that he can get away with, though.
 
Cain said:
A Trump coup would be over before it began. His people are not keyed into the Deep State. Trump seeks attention more than power. It'd be easier to sell Cheeto von Tweeto on another "comeback" narrative. He can call it "My Struggle."
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Nice.
 
angrysoba said:
There may actually be something to be concerned about here....

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Washington (CNN)The Trump administration has carried out sweeping changes atop the Defense Department's civilian leadership structure, removing several of its most senior officials and replacing them with perceived loyalists to the President.

The flurry of changes, announced by the Department of Defense in a statement roughly 24 hours after President Donald Trump fired Defense Secretary Mark Esper, have put officials inside the Pentagon on edge and fueled a growing sense of alarm among military and civilian officials, who are concerned about what could come next.
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I didn't think the Secretary of Defense was in the chain of command.

ETA: After reading a little bit, now I'm not sure.
 
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For the fear mongerers that keep suggesting state legislators are possibly going to overturn their own state's vote and send in either faithless electors, or simply call the state for Trumpy:

Name the states that are planning this. Post the evidence they are planning this. Post some evidence always Trumpers are planning a faithless elector coup.


Moving on to the evidence-based fear mongering ;) : What is Trump planning by changing the civilian heads of the Pentagon and other departments?
Is it petty revenge?
Is it to move the troops out from overseas and if so is it from (multiple votes allowed):
Germany
North Korea (maybe a parting gift to little Kim?)
Afghanistan
Iraq
Somewhere else​
Is it a plan (whether realistic or not) to stay in office by
Stalling certification of EC votes
Declaring Martial Law
A coup (attempted or not)​
 
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