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Trump and NFL boycott

Mumbles said:
It's strange to open all of our games this way, in any case. And having military displays, which the military pays to be able to do, is even more bizarre.
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:thumbsup: I distinctly remember being punished for raising this same point when I was but a young'un.
 
Mumbles said:
It's strange to open all of our games this way, in any case. And having military displays, which the military pays to be able to do, is even more bizarre.
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It's a fine old tradition.

Think about how many sports stadiums built right after WWI were named "Memorial" or, more straightforwardly, "War Memorial" Stadium.

For whatever reason, the connection between sports and patriotism lies deep and entrenched in the American psyche.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I'm going to use a few posts over time about how stupid the arguments of the opponents are. Number one above was about the claim that people don't want politics in sports. The players protesting do not want politics in either.

Number 2 is along the lines that they shouldn't protest because America has given them so much. That is such a myopic worldview of individual selfishness. People have empathy for others and their problems. I'm reminded of the legend of the Buddha having grew up without want experienced such a revelation with encountering the pain of others. No one says he was disrespecting India for giving him so much when he had so much concern for others.
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You are growing on me, Bob.

I agree that the players would probably like to not have to worry about things like social injustice but the more people try to tell them to shut up they more compelled they will be to push back.
 
"Total disrespect of our heritage, a total disrespect of everything that we stand for. Everything that we stand for."

But it isn't a disrespect everything we stand for. It is everything we stand for. SAD!
 
applecorped said:
"Football is played on a gridiron, in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.
Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.
Football begins in the fall, when everything's dying.".... George Carlin.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/humor7.shtml
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"But worse is to come in two years time because they've given the venue of the 1994 World Cup to the United States, and football there means American Football which I can't even understand. Basically it seems to be like a game of rugby between two teams of motorcycle messengers..." - Steve Punt, 1992, The Mary Whitehouse Experience
 
Trump has now given the majority of the American people, who dislike him often intensively, another venue to show their contempt for him: sports.
 
C_Felix said:
"Total disrespect of our heritage, a total disrespect of everything that we stand for. Everything that we stand for."

But it isn't a disrespect everything we stand for. It is everything we stand for. SAD!
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It's amazing how neither he nor his sycophants seem to suffering from whiplash with the shift in gears from "down with PC culture" to "people should be fired for their political views!"
 
An insightful take on Trump's NFL comments from The Atlantic's Derek Thompson:

Another reason that the president cannot resist commenting on every non-political issue in American life is that he seemingly cannot stand the actual work of American governance—a preference made salient at a moment when lawmakers are busy trying to repeal the signature legislative achievement of Trump’s predecessor. Several Republican lawmakers said the president never mastered the details of health care policy. The president’s recent NFL commentary suggests that national anthem protests, on the other hand, are a debate he can engage with.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/09/donald-trump-and-the-politicization-of-everything/540915/

Trump seems to only be stimulated by the hype and instant feedback he gets from his arranged public appearances. The guy is still campaigning because that's when he got his biggest success. The day to day grind of "presidenting" is just too boring and intellectually taxing for him. You won Trump, get over it and do something.
 
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Brainster said:
You almost have to feel sorry for the NFL owners.
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Nope. Anquan Boldin's critique against Thursday Night Football, in terms of the damage it does to players and the reduction in quality of play it brings (all of which have come true) was the turning point to where I am not giving them any slack. They hired this (rule 10) Gooddell and he's bad for the game. Good for the owners, for a while, since profits seem to be good, but I want football back.
And yet the more attention paid to the kneelers, the more revenues the NFL loses.
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Good. Kapernick's initial sit down, that he later changed to a kneel, strikes me as an attempt at compromise.
Yeah, for now they still have their existing contracts with television, but I'm going to guess that the bargaining on the next round is going to be brutal for the owners.
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Good.
I'm going to guess that the NFL owners are going to collectively lose a couple billion dollars in market value.
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Good. They won't be starving any time soon.
newyorkguy said:
Trump has a strange history with the National Football League (NFL). In 1984 he told New York Times sportswriter Ira Berkow he, Trump, passed on a chance to buy the Dallas Cowboys: {snip} But The Donster was too smart to have wasted his time or money on a team like the Cowboys.
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Now that's funny. Thanks for the anecdote. (Life long Cowboys fan here).

chrispy said:
A slight deviation from the OP, but only slightly. So both the NFL and the NBA in the same day? Impressive, Mr. President. In case you haven't seen, he also ''uninvited'' the NBA champion Golden State Warriors from attending the White House, singling out youth icon Stephen Curry in his tweets. Lebron James has gone back at Trump, saying that attending the White House ''was an honor until you showed up''.
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I am now a slightly bigger Lebron James fan than I was a day ago. (Nice one!) As to the "disinvite" ... geeze, President Trump is being petty and vindictive. (Who saw that coming? :rolleyes: )

sunmaster14 said:
Taking a knee while putting your cap over your heart certainly doesn't strike me as a sign of disrespect.
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I applaud the effort to try and surf two waves at once.

Mumbles said:
kneeling is a compromise - he sat at first, but after speaking with a vet, they worked out that he should kneel instead, to show respect for the unarmed and innocent people brutalized by police.
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Yeah, he at least listened to someone else.
quadraginta said:
It's a fine old tradition. Think about how many sports stadiums built right after WWI were named "Memorial" or, more straightforwardly, "War Memorial" Stadium. For whatever reason, the connection between sports and patriotism lies deep and entrenched in the American psyche.
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My daughter has sung the Star Spangled Banner on three occasions at a professional baseball game. (She studied voice, she can do it justice). Yeah, I wept.
 
FenerFan said:
Trump seems to only be stimulated by the hype and instant feedback he gets from his arranged public appearances. The guy is still campaigning because that's when he got his biggest success. The day to day grind of "presidenting" is just too boring and intellectually taxing for him. You won Trump, get over it and do something.
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A perceptive observation. October Atlantic just hit my doorstep. You may find Goldsmith's critique of Trump and the office of the president, and Cohen's critique of the American foreign policy problems Trump is stimulating, of interest.
Getting elected and being president are two different things, which I am pretty sure most presidents find out the hard way once they are in office.

Note:Goldsmith and Cohen echo a point I've been making since Trump became a candidate. Who would put up with working for that (rule10)? He's not good at listening.
 
chrispy said:
A slight deviation from the OP, but only slightly. So both the NFL and the NBA in the same day? Impressive, Mr. President. In case you haven't seen, he also ''uninvited'' the NBA champion Golden State Warriors from attending the White House, singling out youth icon Stephen Curry in his tweets. Lebron James has gone back at Trump, saying that attending the White House ''was an honor until you showed up''. I will add this to things I never thought I would see the President do, but now have...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/23/sports/football/trump-nfl-kaepernick.html?mcubz=0
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I remember when Bill Clinton, as a candidate I think, went on Arsenio Hall and played saxophone. Some complained that this was not presidential.


There seems to be nothing left of any decorum at this point.
 
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Beerina said:
I remember when Bill Clinton, as a candidate I think, went on Arsenio Hall and played saxaphone. Some complained that this was not presidential.
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I never understood that criticism. All candidates are supposed to go out and shake hands, meet people, display a certain amount of the common touch. So he plays Saxaphone on a late night show. So what? Lots of people like to play music on the side.
 
Darth Rotor said:
Good. Kapernick's initial sit down, that he later changed to a kneel, strikes me as an attempt at compromise.
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This.
He listened to criticism changed it to be more respectful. And got blasted by the same critics.

How in the living **** can a kneeling positron be considered disrespectful? It is traditionally the opposite.
 
I'm outraged! I'm gonna boycott watching the NFL games until the kneelers shape up!

Oh, wait. I stopped watching NFL 25 years ago. Nevermind!
 
alfaniner said:
I think we may be seeing entire teams on their knees today.

All in the spirit of "Don't **** with football!"
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Headline From the Chicago Trib
Bears issue statement on President Trump’s comments; Steelers to remain in locker room during anthem
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In London, before the Jaguars-Ravens game on Sunday morning, representatives of both teams went to a knee with arms interlocked during the national anthem in a show of solidarity
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