In an effort to be polite, I will simply say, don't argue by analogy. Argue the actual thing.
What I find interesting about your response is that the split I mention isn't about being trans or not. A trans identifying male can be on either side of that split. So can a non-trans male. But you didn't seem to recognize that.
Hold up. She didn't say anything about rape or murder in the part you quoted. She mentioned equality. Western societies prohibited rape and murder LONG before they started treating women equally. So historically there were in fact a LOT of men who would never consider raping or murdering women but would still not treat them equally. It is both unfair to EC and historically inaccurate to conflate these things.
Step outside of your personal feelings for a moment, and consider it objectively. You're a big guy, you're strong, you know how to fight.
Fine. Citizens can be sympathetic to a perceived plight endured by their fellow citizens, and have it affect their actions regarding what kind of society they want to live in. Indirect effects are significant, too.
Of course I do, but lumping any trans man into the threat category because he wants to be comfortable where he pees is heavily biased. The ones who don't go in the women's room are still just as, if not more likely to be actual threats.
No. Based on years of interaction, I don't think this represents Zig's view. I don't think Zig believes males are superior in every way. I do, however, think that Zig is an observer of reality, and that Zig (along with probably all of the female participants in this thread) believes that males are physically stronger, larger, and more aggressive than females.
In a purely abstract philosophical way, I agree with you. In isolation of everything else, I would say that a completely physically transitioned male with no male genitalia, massively suppressed testosterone, etc. would be granted access.
Jesus Christ, dude. Everyone else is trying to have a reasonable discussion about a reality that includes some horrible people, and you're going out of your way to be as obtuse and offensive as possible.
I totally get what you are saying, and im.glad you brought up firearms. You said you own a handgun and carry it while in the woods, in the event of unruly animals. Should I be considered to be under YOUR complete control and at your mercy simply because you have a handgun? I don't have one and can't beat off bullets with my biceps.
Dude, you've been given hundreds of cases of males with transgender identities threatening females in female spaces, exposing themselves, masturbating in female spaces, and much, much worse. You've been given links and list so many times that I'm frankly getting tired of it. And it follows a very predictable pattern at this point:
And as I've been explaining, I don't think that advantage puts you realistically "almost constantly at their mercy of being ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ raped or murdered". I think a lot more dots have to be connected first.
He said its "true" that women are under the complete power of men. Again, i disagree with that strongly.
Merager was cleared of charges because... hold on to your hat... it's legal for a male to be naked in front of non-consenting females as long as that male says out-loud-words about their unverifiable and subjective inner gendery soul.
Hyman has gained following from a whole bunch of people who are absolutely fed the ◊◊◊◊ up with this gender ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, and who were outraged that the initial reaction - including by you - as to vilify Hyman as the one in the wrong, call them a transphobic bigot, threaten and harass them, tell them they should die or be raped or be killed or the ever-popular "chock on my giant lady cock"! Hyman gained following because they weren't cowed by abusive males and performatively inclusive females.
When you look at actual incarceration, males with transgender identities have FOUR TIMES the rate of sex offending as normal males.
Every time I have to go to the bathroom at work. Seriously. All of the doors hang closed, the only way to tell if the stall is occupied or not is to observe feet and shadows under the edge.
I wonder how much of that has to do with males tending to use urinals far, far more often than stalls.
Ahh, so if you're buddies with a black person, you feel it's okay for you to drop n-bombs in conversation with other people when talking about them?
The only terms that a person with a transgender identity will accept as NOT being derogatory is one that completely avoids recognition of their actual sex. They only accept terms that affirm their professed identities, and consider insulting any reference to reality.
Let me stop you right there, because you ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up huge again. We were talking about imposter pervs. None have been shown, or even suspected that I recall. Instead, we get Misty Hill brought up for whatever reason, and this sad sack jerking it in Planet Fitness when he apparently thought he was alone. Bad behavior for sure, and unacceptable, but not remotely what we were talking about.
Stupid? Not at all. Evasive and playing dumb? We've got pages.
As a category, males who do not self exclude from women's spaces are more of a threat than males who do self exclude. I note you aren't actually disputing that. And this isn't a "threat category". It's just a category, based on something other than threat. We evaluate the threat after making the category.
I don't. I want males out of women's restrooms.
No. One reason (though not the only reason) is that perverts (not just violent ones) will take advantage of any policy which does not exclude males from women's restrooms. We have seen that happen. Another reason is that the presence of males makes many females very uncomfortable. You never seem to give this consideration any weight.
Again, why do you keep resorting to only considering actual attacks? You have been given multiple actual examples of non-attack cases where males who were in women's restrooms and changing rooms because of self-ID policies caused problems. Why do you continually refuse to address this?
My guess is that they are a sick perv who gets a thrill out of masturbating where they might get caught.
There is zero way in general to distinguish the imposters from the real ones. If you incentivize people to become trans, more people will become trans. That includes the pervs. And authentically trans pervs aren't somehow not a problem.
#metoo, but in a split second without studying shadow plays. You just said you study the shadow movements. Why?
None at all. I want to know who is where, situationally, everywhere I am. Like, occupied stall or not in a quarter second assessment, never once studying the shadows, thinking about what they might be doing. If I saw four pairs of feet, I'd leave, assuming I was about to get jumped. But I can't even think of a reason to look at their shadows for that long.
Males are going to rape females no matter what, so we should just go ahead and make it easier for them by removing some of the few barriers that get in the way of their raping?