Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Thermal]

Red Herring.

Safety is not the only grounds for sex segregation - privacy and dignity count too.

I was answering a specific question about violent predators with a clear and direct answer. Are you sure you know what a red herring is?

 

[Thermal]

For the same reason as Rolfe, it brings up the username easier... try typing d4m10n's name on a smartphone!

Exactly my point. When I start to type "d4m10n" on my mobile, it autocompletes his name after typing d and 4, so it's those two key strokes and the space bar to enter his name (because I've typed it a few times earlier). Your way, I'd have to shift the screen to get to the "@", then type in d, then scroll down to select his name, and click on it. It's actually a couple more keystrokes and more time to do it your way.

{Eta: Also, typing in "d4m10n" is like typing in any other name on my mobile interface, as the numbers display right over my qwerty board. My device also thinks I'm serious sbout frequent typos and doesn't bother trying to correct them after a while. Typing "thd" instead of "the" is my most frequent typo, and the phone let's it slide- doubly so if there are two or more typos, so it doesn't even try to make me change "d4m10n" to something comprehensible}

I have them turned off because

1. Sick of the incessant popups

My interfaces don't pop anything up. it's an unobtrusive tiny red notification up by the bell?

2, Sick of the dings in my earbuds

No sound accompanying it I've ever heard, on any device?

3 Sick of the continual filling up of the swipe-down notification list.

It's one click to open the list, skim it, and one to close it. Doesn't seem a cumbersome feature?

I have this type of notification turned off on every social media platform I use - several forums, Facebook, Reddit, BlueSky etc The only one I keep on is Messenger because that is how I communicate with most of my friends.

#MeToo, but it sounds like you are talking about push notifications. I'm just talking about that little red square hanging on to the bell on this site only.

 

[Thermal]

...to affirmatively claim that Rounds made the story up shifts the burden of proof to you;

Which would be a compelling criticism if i had actually done so. I didnt say anythjng about Senator Mounds making up anything. For all i know, he was repeating something he was told in good faith.

i found the entire story fictitious (read: false) because it described events that couldn't happen, and it contradicted itself.

you have to show that the "entire story is fictitious" as you have affirmed. I find the story entirely plausible, since the DoD was indeed accepting transgender recruits at the time.

They did accept them. They still had to go through the military process for getting the DEERS marker changed, which took longer than basic training, when they were still assigned to their birth sex segregated company.

Not sure why we are arguing about this, though, if we already agree that the military ought to preserve single-sex spaces during basic training.

We are arguing about this because you challenged and questioned my criticism of the story, and I addressed you clearly and directly. Pretty straightforward.

 

[d4m10n]

They still had to go through the military process for getting the DEERS marker changed

This is an assertion given here without any supporting evidence. I'd've assumed that the marker would match their acquired gender from the get-go since they joined up during a trans-inclusive administration. You have evidently assumed otherwise, but who knows which assumption is correct.

they were still assigned to their birth sex segregated company.

Another assertion without supporting evidence.

 

[Aber]

Agreed that the TRAs are the primary pushers for formalizing legislation on the matter. What I'm not clear on is whether that is the cause or effect. Like, I'm not sure if they were pushing back against a movement to exclude them (starting around the time that conservatives started pushing against Drag Queens and the like), or if they were motivated by being tired of being marginalized.

Alternatively, campaigning organisations needed to find something new to campaign on. From July 2014:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/28/stonewall-ruth-hunt-promote-transgender-rights

"We are at quite an important tipping point in terms of trans equality, and we are looking at how we can best support and maximise that tipping point," she said.

 

[smartcooky]

Exactly my point. When I start to type "d4m10n" on my mobile, it autocompletes his name after typing d and 4, so it's those two key strokes and the space bar to enter his name (because I've typed it a few times earlier). Your way, I'd have to shift the screen to get to the "@", then type in d, then scroll down to select his name, and click on it. It's actually a couple more keystrokes and more time to do it your way.

{Eta: Also, typing in "d4m10n" is like typing in any other name on my mobile interface, as the numbers display right over my qwerty board. My device also thinks I'm serious sbout frequent typos and doesn't bother trying to correct them after a while. Typing "thd" instead of "the" is my most frequent typo, and the phone let's it slide- doubly so if there are two or more typos, so it doesn't even try to make me change "d4m10n" to something comprehensible}

My interfaces don't pop anything up. it's an unobtrusive tiny red notification up by the bell?

No sound accompanying it I've ever heard, on any device?

It's one click to open the list, skim it, and one to close it. Doesn't seem a cumbersome feature?

#MeToo, but it sounds like you are talking about push notifications. I'm just talking about that little red square hanging on to the bell on this site only.

I do not have preductive text enabled on any device.

 

[Thermal]

This is an assertion given here without any supporting evidence. I'd've assumed that the marker would match their acquired gender from the get-go since they joined up during a trans-inclusive administration. You have evidently assumed otherwise, but who knows which assumption is correct.

Another assertion without supporting evidence.

...common knowledge, I thought? No?

"Hey google..."

"In 2023, U.S. military policy required all service members, including transgender individuals, to adhere to the standards (including for berthing, bathroom, and shower facilities) associated with their
biological sex. This means that transgender women did basic training with men, based on their sex assigned at birth."

 

[Thermal]

I do not have preductive text enabled on any device.

Addressing only one of half dozen quirks, but ok..

I don't have predictive text enabled either. My interface gives suggestions between the keyboard and screen that I can use or not.

As an aside, my device will sometimes autocorrect and sometimes not, but that's not predictive text, if I recall the feature correctly.

 

[Thermal]

Alternatively, campaigning organisations needed to find something new to campaign on. From July 2014:

Ok, but that doesn't clarify anything. Why would they be at a 'tipping point' unless some force was causing them to tip? The alt-right was on the rise about then too.

 

[d4m10n]

"In 2023, U.S. military policy required all service members, including transgender individuals, to adhere to the standards (including for berthing, bathroom, and shower facilities) associated with their biological sex. This means that transgender women did basic training with men, based on their sex assigned at birth."

No idea whom you are quoting.

(If it's just search engine AI, no thanks.)

 

[smartcooky]

Addressing only one of half dozen quirks, but ok..

I don't have predictive text enabled either. My interface gives suggestions between the keyboard and screen that I can use or not.

As an aside, my device will sometimes autocorrect and sometimes not, but that's not predictive text, if I recall the feature correctly.

I don't have this.

What will it take for you to understand that not everyone is like you. We have our own way of doing things. I have my phone and the forum set up the way I like it

NO notifications
NO alerts
NO popups
NO sounds
NO predictive text
NO suggestion line

I use GBoard with bare bones settings - all enhancements are turned off. My keyboard is nothing more than a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ typewriter.

 

[smartcooky]

No idea whom you are quoting.

(If it's just search engine AI, no thanks.)

Indeed. You are supposed to say when you're using AI generated content.

 

[Thermal]

I don't have this.

What will it take for you to understand that not everyone is like you.

Yes, scooter, that's why I am asking you about it. You were describing manually disabling features the forum does not ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ have, which is why I have come to believe you have your head shoved deeply up your ass.

We were talking, if you recall, about the "@" and ping alerts on this forum. You started going on about pop-ups and audible sounds, which has nothing to do with anything. Indeed, you made the same goof you now accuse me of: you told me to try to type in 'd4m10n' on a smartphone. I did so, and reported results... which apparently didn't occur to you might be different than yours.

 

[Thermal]

Indeed. You are supposed to say when you're using AI generated content.

A person of middling intellect could probably figure out what the preceding 'Hey, google..." meant without a brief dissertation.

 

[d4m10n]

It is possible that the Biden Administration required "transgender individuals to adhere to the standards (including for berthing, bathroom, and shower facilities) associated with their biological sex" but I remain skeptical and have yet to see a solid source for that claim; my best guess is that the AI is confused about the timeframe.

 

[Rolfe]

I just took a break from packing to highlight this. The references are in the replies.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2007125598590644396

 

[Thermal]

It is possible that the Biden Administration required "transgender individuals to adhere to the standards (including for berthing, bathroom, and shower facilities) associated with their biological sex" but I remain skeptical and have yet to see a solid source for that claim; my best guess is that the AI is confused about the timeframe.

LOL, I've been half-assed searching as time allows, and it's actually tough to authoritatively determine what the standards were. There is a lot of referencing to DEERS gender marker, but only oblique references to how that is determined. All seem consistent in 2023 being consistent with biological sex, until full transition after review, when it can be changed. Even SPARTA acknowledges that transgender recruits will be 'asked' to undergo basic training with their biological sex till transition is complete.

However, I believe that if transwomen were in the female barracks, we'd have heard about it very loudly, and the outrage that would accompany such a situation. We have not, save for Senator Pound's invisible friend. I believe that unevidenced situations of such dramatic proportions among tens of thousands of recruits would have caused a stir. You believe they would all be silent for years. Okey doke.

 

[smartcooky]

Yes, scooter, that's why I am asking you about it. You were describing manually disabling features the forum does not ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ have, which is why I have come to believe you have your head shoved deeply up your ass.

Which features do you claim the forum does not have?

 

[smartcooky]

A person of middling intellect could probably figure out what the preceding 'Hey, google..." meant without a brief dissertation.

A person of middling intellect could probably figure out that Googling stuff and researching linked results, then linking to them on the forum, with possible copying and pasting the relevant parts from the linked article, and Googling stuff and then copying and pasting the "AI Overview" are NOT THE SAME ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ THING

The former is allowed, that latter is a breach of the forum rules unless you explicitly specify the content you pasted is AI

 

[John Freestone]

Agreed that the TRAs are the primary pushers for formalizing legislation on the matter. What I'm not clear on is whether that is the cause or effect. Like, I'm not sure if they were pushing back against a movement to exclude them (starting around the time that conservatives started pushing against Drag Queens and the like), or if they were motivated by being tired of being marginalized. Either way,

What? Those seem pretty well the same thing - reaction to being "exclude[d]" or "marginalized" is just "effect." You weren't clear if it's the cause or effect, then presented them as pushing back in two slightly different ways. And...it's THE CAUSE. People are not of the opposite sex to their sex, even if you call it 'gender' - the whole philosophy is based on a mad idea, essentially a religious idea that people have some gendered essence that's independent of their sex. And they got together to demand we all join the cult. The history of it is quite clear.

I think the best solution remains to push back against legislation in either direction. Lobby to maintain the older status quo, as you say seems like the ideal.

Push back against the pushing back from both ends? No, either I didn't make myself clear or you're choosing to misrepresent what I explained. Transgender theory was deliberately inserted into Western culture, so the old social conventions and people knowing what sex they are went out the window. We're awash with pseudoscientific garbage and woke identity politics, and the TRAs will legislate to have their way if not stopped by law, so just saying "everyone go back to being nice and sort it out kindly" without legal clarification isn't sensible.

And just to clarify where my head is at, I very viscerally want the boys in the boys room. But as I talk to women, more seem to say it's not that big a deal to them as I would have thought. They view it largely the way I view a woman using the men's room (in some bars I used to hang out in, it was pretty common). It's a little weird and my guard is up while they are in there, but we tolerate that kind of stuff sometimes.

Consent can't be granted on behalf of others. Women who say they don't mind men in their spaces can't ignore the needs of other women who are endangered or threatened by that.

The Mass data is provided by the Williams Institute from UCLA in the states. In Jersey, our gender policy is lunatic wide open, but there is no formal data that I'm aware of. What's weird is that the state is almost evenly split politically left to right, but we don't see any reports of men in women's rooms behaving badly. If there were such instances occurring, I think social media would be ablaze with reports complaining about it and citing instances. But there's nothing.

No formal data you're aware of, and social media isn't "ablaze". Hmm. It's not taken me long to discover your level of tenacity in research.

Largely agreed. So maybe we should look into transwomen (or predatory imposters) that assaulted/harassed before the gender wars? What did they do? The answer seems to be the same: nothing different than after open gender policies.

Seems to be the same. Could you provide some evidence beyond this vague speculation that all is well despite letting any man into women's spaces?

We've discussed this at length ITT. You would intuitively think that every perv in the world would throw on a wig and charge the women's room if policy allowed it. But in the flesh and blood world, we don't see it happening. The perverts that perved before still do so at about the same rate. We never see an increase.

You're still missing the bigger issue here. You nor I have the right to say men should have the right to enter women's spaces. Whatever your sex. Women as a group should make that call - wouldn't you agree? And here I'll speculate: a large majority don't want them there. They have daughters. Do they want men in the changing room with their daughters? Do you have a daughter? Don't talk to me about what I'd intuitively think and pretend it's wrong before you've considered that.

Ok, but i didnt say 'behind the door'. I said on the other side of the door, meaning that if a predator was in the womens room, 'the other side of the door' is where the guys are walking around outside.

Oh yeah, predators in the women's will be terrified there might be a man walking past outside. The risk doesn't give them a thrill at all. That must be why no woman has ever been hassled, assaulted or raped in the women's toilets. Police might be somewhere. I'm astounded at what you come out with.

That's the thing: it was never kept closed over here. There was never (till very recently in a few US states) any actual laws or penalties for being in the wrong rest room. We just sorted it out ourselves on the fly.

No, I don't mean, "keep it closed" as in change the law to making it closed, I mean simply making a law that keeps it closed, even if it's never been done before. Because we're in 2026, and the TRAs are here, and they take a mile given an inch. They are utterly determined to force transgender ideology as far as it is possible to go. They've shown that time and time again.