Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Rolfe]

I do not think you know what the word "correlation" means.

 

[Thermal]

I don't think you know what the phrase "bull ◊◊◊◊ fabricated contemptable tranny bashing retweety" means.

 

[Thermal]

The only murder story in Sweden that kinda sorta fits the facts is the murder of a 25 year old woman, with two men detained. Nothing about them horrible tranny freaks is mentioned.

Sweden Murder Shocks Rönninge: 2 Detained

A murder in small-town Sweden shocks the nation. How does a close-knit community cope with a violent crime that shatters its sense of safety? Read the full s...

nordicstoday.com

You don't suppose some bigot took a news story and embellished it with a tranny bashing narrative, do you? Then tweeted it without a link so that the half wits who believe this ◊◊◊◊ wouldn't be able to quickly see it was made up, do you?

Eta: the author of this articles last name is Andersson, which the tweety author claims is the murderers name.

 

[Rolfe]

Keep digging.

 

[Thermal]

Bored with digging. It's not my job to continuously fact check bigoted tweetys, only to find out they are bull ◊◊◊◊, as they appeared to be at first glance.

Do you need the burden of proof explained to you?

 

[Rolfe]

I have no idea why you concluded "at first glance" that a story that's all over Aftonbladet and other Swedish news outlets is ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. I'm not responsible for your lack of Google-fu.

Vilma Andersson, 26, misstänks för mordet i Rönninge

Vid gripandet ska Vilma Andersson enligt uppgifter till Aftonbladet ha erkänt direkt delaktighet i brottet.

www.aftonbladet.se

ETA: It's also bad form to go back and edit your posts substantially after people have replied to you and the thread has moved on - certainly without giving any indication that you've done so. I only noticed what you'd done because @smartcooky quoted an edited post.

 

[smartcooky]

Oh look, another "them trannies is all violent perverts" post. What a surprise.

Hey @Rolfe, I don't mean to be difficult, but I can't help but notice there is no link to the news story in the tweety. I've searched for both 'Robin Andersson murder Sweden' and 'Vilma Andersson murder Sweden' and am not coming up with anything.I know how much you value truth in your postings, so do you have any idea if this is actually true?

Did you try searching Swedish media? I did

"Vilma" misstänks ha kidnappat och styckmördat kvinnan - greps när han grävde ned kroppsdelarna » Samnytt

Samnytt - ocensurerade nyheter. Samnytt rapporterar om det som gammelmedia döljer.

samnytt.se

You will have to translate the page. Its clunky to read, but can be understood.

 

[Rolfe]

There are several. Most of the main Swedish news outlets seem to be covering it. I'm not seeing the name of the victim, but that's often not released officially even though everyone knows who it is. It was the same with Andrew Millar/Amy George's victim.

Vilma Andersson misstänks för mordet i Rönninge

Vilma Andersson, 26, misstänks ha kidnappat och styckmördat den 25-åriga kvinnan i Rönninge. 26-åringen erkänner grovt gravfridsbrott men nekar till mord. På tisdagen häktades Andersson för båda brotten – och skickas på rättspsykiatrisk undersökning. Enligt åklagaren pekar allt på att mordet var...

www.expressen.se

26-åring misstänks för mordet i Rönninge – har tidigare försökt kidnappa flicka

Den man som misstänks för mordet i Rönninge har tidigare dömts för försök till människorov. 2019 drog 26-åringen in en 10-årig flicka i sin bil. Vid gripandet hittade polis buntband och silvertejp.

www.svt.se

LINDA JERNECK: Tacka DNA-registret för att Vilma kunde gripas

Styckmordet i Rönninge visar varför samhällets intresse att klara upp brott måste trumfa gärningsmännens personliga integritet.

www.expressen.se

I'm getting bloody tired of being accused of passing on fabricated stories by @Thermal simply because he can't be bothered to check properly, and then jumps to unwarranted conclusions.

 

[Thermal]

Did you try searching Swedish media? I did

"Vilma" misstänks ha kidnappat och styckmördat kvinnan - greps när han grävde ned kroppsdelarna » Samnytt

Samnytt - ocensurerade nyheter. Samnytt rapporterar om det som gammelmedia döljer.

samnytt.se

You will have to translate the page. Its clunky to read, but can be understood.

Aftonbladet is reporting about the man in custody, but say he is registered as a male, not trans.

Vilma Andersson häktas misstänkt för styckmordet i Rönninge

Vilma Andersson, 26 häktas på sannolika skäl misstänkt för mordet i Salem under julhelgen. Tingsrätten beslutade även att inhämta en rättspsykiatrisk undersökn

www.aftonbladet.se

And yes, it's awkward reading.

 

[Thermal]

I'm getting bloody tired of being accused of passing on fabricated stories by @Thermal simply because he can't be bothered to check properly, and then jumps to unwarranted conclusions.

And I'm getting bloody tired of you posting bull ◊◊◊◊ and not showing the integrity to back them up when challenged. it's not the reader's job to chase your tweetys down in other languages.

And no, you are not excused for posting bull ◊◊◊◊ 50 times when one tweety turns out to be partially kinda sorta loosely based on fact.

 

[Rolfe]

I do not post ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. This one wasn't "partially kinda sorta loosely based on fact", it was an accurate account of the case with additional details the press won't normally report. I didn't think you'd want links to Swedish-language articles. You could have asked, rather than embarking on a massive rant about fabricated stories. And you could now admit that you were 100% wrong, rather than still trying to cast doubt on the reporting of the incident.

By the way, "Andersson" is an extremely common surname in Sweden, and jumping from the fact that the journalist of the one (uninformative) article you managed to find has the same surname as the one the suspect is currently going by to the conclusion that the entire story was made up, with the fictional suspect given the journalist's name, is evidence of just how screwed up your thought processes are on this topic.

But hey, shouldn't you be off wiping that egg off your face?

 

[p0lka]

Sorry, I haven't kept up with this thread for a while as it's very long, but what's the crack with transmen? They should use female private spaces yeah? Is that the current thing?

 

[Rolfe]

Aftonbladet is reporting about the man in custody, but say he is registered as a male, not trans.

Vilma Andersson häktas misstänkt för styckmordet i Rönninge

Vilma Andersson, 26 häktas på sannolika skäl misstänkt för mordet i Salem under julhelgen. Tingsrätten beslutade även att inhämta en rättspsykiatrisk undersökn

www.aftonbladet.se

Not trans, you say?





"Vilma" is a woman's name. That extract (from the Expressen article I linked above) gives his actual name as Robin, and says that Vilma Andersson is his name as a woman (kvinna). I think that counts as trans.

 

[Thermal]

I do not post ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. This one wasn't "partially kinda sorta loosely based on fact", it was an accurate account of the case with additional details the press won't normally report. I didn't think you'd want links to Swedish-language articles.

You were wrong.

You could have asked

I did. Directly. And you gave a vacuous non-answer.

, rather than embarking on a massive rant about fabricated stories.

If the story is unsourced, and doesnt appear at all on an English speaking search using appropriate keywords, it can be assumed to not be factual. The burden is on the poster at that point.

And you could now admit that you were 100% wrong, rather than still trying to cast doubt on the reporting of the incident.

By the way, "Andersson" is an extremely common surname in Sweden, and jumping from the fact that the journalist of the one (uninformative) article you managed to find has the same surname as the one the suspect is currently going by to the conclusion that the entire story was made up, with the fictional suspect given the journalist's name, is evidence of just how screwed up your thought processes are on this topic.

I know it's s common name. But when literally nothing else is showing up on the English speaking search, it might be a coincidence, or maybe not.

But hey, shouldn't you be off wiping that egg off your face?

No egg, no need. It was pulling teeth to get you to show the ounce of integrity that any other poster would freely show, and back up their cclaim.Which you were asked to do. And refused, shifting the burden of proof as usual. "Oh its all over in another language that doesn't show results on an English speaking search on this English speaking forum" is one dumb ass defense.

Prediction: you will never respond to a challenge again, saying "no I won't provide my source, remember that one lone tweet it turned out wasn't pure bull ◊◊◊◊?"

 

[Thermal]

ETA: It's also bad form to go back and edit your posts substantially after people have replied to you and the thread has moved on - certainly without giving any indication that you've done so. I only noticed what you'd done because @smartcooky quoted an edited post.

Sparring aside: I have no idea what you are referring to? I 'eta' everything, unless it's just a spelling typo that I didn't catch the first time

Eta: I just checked smartcookys post where he quoted me, and its the same as the post I edited for typos (it's below freezing where I am posting and my phone lags sometimes an I don't catch all my typos). Were you referring to some undisclosed post from the past to randomly chastise me about?

 

[Thermal]

Not trans, you say?

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"Vilma" is a woman's name. That extract (from the Expressen article I linked above) gives his actual name as Robin, and says that Vilma Andersson is his name as a woman (kvinna). I think that counts as trans.

Since he is registered as a male in the reporting that was initially being dug up, it's fair to say he was not trans. There are a variety of reports now, all varying a little, although Google translate cannot be relied upon to get things clear.

 

[Rolfe]

Sparring aside: I have no idea what you are referring to? I 'eta' everything, unless it's just a spelling typo that I didn't catch the first time

Lying again, I see? You posted your response to the story at 4.45 pm (my time). Here is the entire response.

Oh look, another "them trannies is all violent perverts" post. What a surprise.

Hey @Rolfe, I don't mean to be difficult, but I can't help but notice there is no link to the news story in the tweety. I've searched for both 'Robin Andersson murder Sweden' and 'Vilma Andersson murder Sweden' and am not coming up with anything.I know how much you value truth in your postings, so do you have any idea if this is actually true?

However, at 4.45 pm all that post consisted of was the first line. I replied at 4.55, saying that you appeared not to know what the word "correlation" means. You then edited the post at 5.02 pm to add your faux-polite request for a link, to make it look as if you had asked and I had ignored you, and you could represent my entirely reasonable response to what you actually wrote at the time as "a vacuous non-answer". This is the height of dishonesty.

You immediately jumped to the conclusion that someone had fabricated the story, even fabricated the entire persona of the suspect, giving him the name of a journalist. Some "tranny-bashing bigot" in fact. It turns out that the story is 100% correct. It was extremely easy to find the links. Multiple reports. I posted them in response to your next rude, dismissive and ignorant post.

Bored with digging. It's not my job to continuously fact check bigoted tweetys, only to find out they are bull ◊◊◊◊, as they appeared to be at first glance.

Do you need the burden of proof explained to you?

News flash. Something that has happened in Sweden is not necessarily going to be reported in full in primarily English-speaking outlets. It is absolutely incorrect to say that it was like pulling teeth. I had no trouble posting the links, because as I said, the story was all over the Swedish media, where you'd expect to find it.

 

[Rolfe]

Since he is registered as a male in the reporting that was initially being dug up, it's fair to say he was not trans. There are a variety of reports now, all varying a little, although Google translate cannot be relied upon to get things clear.

For crying out loud. He's going by a female name, there are pictures of him in makeup and lipstick, and there are spin-off articles about his changing names and trans identity.

How about you wind your neck in a bit and do some proper investigation before announcing that things have been "fabricated by tranny-bashing bigots" and then that the suspect isn't trans just because you haven't read the reports properly.

 

[Thermal]

Lying again, I see? You posted your response to the story at 4.45 pm (my time). Here is the entire response.



However, at 4.45 pm all that post consisted of was the first line. I replied at 4.55, saying that you appeared not to know what the word "correlation" means. You then edited the post at 5.02 pm to add your faux-polite request for a link, to make it look as if you had asked and I had ignored you, and you could represent my entirely reasonable response to what you actually wrote at the time as "a vacuous non-answer". This is the height of dishonesty.

Oh Jesus christ. You're right, I didn't eta that one, but I did "@" you to call your attention to the edit specifically by making it ping on your alerts. That's actually better than an eta, because it specifically calls your attention to a post that has been moved on from.

Regarding your weird conspiracy theory, I was simply still searching for the story for a while and coming up with nothing, so I "@"ed you to call your attention to the change. I probably should have eta'ed it too but I didn't see the point after only a few minutes. You're right though, I didn't eta it specifically for what might have been the first time in my posting history.

You immediately jumped to the conclusion that someone had fabricated the story, even fabricated the entire persona of the suspect, giving him the name of a journalist. Some "tranny-bashing bigot" in fact. It turns out that the story is 100% correct. It was extremely easy to find the links. Multiple reports. I posted them in response to your next rude, dismissive and ignorant post.

Still trying to defend your unsourced tweety by using foreign language sources that don't appear on this *news flash* English speaking forum and search engines?

News flash. Something that has happened in Sweden is not necessarily going to be reported in full in primarily English-speaking outlets. It is absolutely incorrect to say that it was like pulling teeth. I had no trouble posting the links, because as I said, the story was all over the Swedish media, where you'd expect to find it.

That the translations are so clumsy is reason enough to doubt the accuracy. Do you have to be lectured again about this forum's posting langusge?

Eta *edited to add* Attn @Rolfe: I edited the typo of "formula' to 'forum'. I hope you can forgive me.

 

[Thermal]

For crying out loud. He's going by a female name, there are pictures of him in makeup and lipstick, and there are spin-off articles about his changing names and trans identity.

How about you wind your neck in a bit and do some proper investigation before announcing that things have been "fabricated by tranny-bashing bigots" and then that the suspect isn't trans just because you haven't read the reports properly.

Proper investigation remains your sole burden, not mine. And for every story shown, there's another with a different variation. Piss poor citations at best.