transgendered 7 year old?

[Earthborn]

I have returned.

Welcome back! I hope you had fun.

Earthborn will no doubt be happy to know that I have all my parts still attached.

Only if that makes you happy.

Based on some of Lonewulf's links it appears that my speculations were probably wrong.

What in those articles made you think you were wrong?

Interestingly (at least to me) my daughter had two women friends that were living lives as men.

They say you are never more than 2 degrees of seperation away from a tranny...

 

[davefoc]

What in those articles made you think you were wrong?

First, I thought this was a difficult question that I might be over simplifying. I think the evidence is very strong that there are differences in the nature of males and females that goes beyond their genitals and other obvious physical differences.

So exactly what would happen if an individual of one sex had some of the mental characteristics of the opposite sex couldn't be predicted from my personal knowledge at least.

One of the articles linked to by Lonewulf suggested that there was a strong correlation in the study between a physical characteristic in the brain of women and males who identified themselves as having desires to live as the opposite sex. This was at least a strong suggestion of at least some kind of physical anomaly being the cause of gender dysphoria.

So, while I don't think the idea that gender dysporia is just simply the result of the routine process that humans fixate on strange ideas has been completely disproven by anything that has been presented here, I do think it has at least been shown to be an unlikely explanation.

 

[skeptifem]

Isn't that the guy who chopped off a kid's genitals because he thought it would be less damaging to the kid to be raised as a girl than to be a boy with a botched circumcision? And then the kid grew up without being told about it, had a miserable life because he always felt like a boy, and then found out later and wound up killing himself? That John Money?

I don't think I'd really take his theories on sexual identity too seriously.

he didnt cut the kids penis off, it was accidentally damaged beyond repair by a hospital worker.

John money just decided to publish that raising the child as a girl was going great and that the kid had no problems psychologically living as a girl. it was all a total lie he told to prove his ideas about gender. and yes, sadly this whole thing ended in suicide a year or so ago. His idea about gender and sex was basically saying raising the kid as a boy makes them a boy and raising the kid as a girl makes them a girl in their mind. it was pretty messed up because it put all the blame for transexuals on to the parents and made it seem as though transexuals could be cured if they just worked hard enough. That idea being 'proven' through his study no doubt caused a lot of heartache for transexuals and their families- as though it wasnt hard enough to be trans in the ******* fifties.

the false research he published ended up with a lot of babies born with ambiguous genitalia/sex organs to just be changed into girls at birth. its really screwed up and only recently has there been a lot of fuss over doctors doing that to babies. People opposing that think its better to raise the child gender neuteral until they show a strong preference and address it then. it seems like a good solution to me.

anyway, surgery or at least 'passing' for the desired gender is about the only thing shown to help transexuals feel relief. this differs from other things like body dysmorphic disorder (where a person erroneously believes they have some sort of defect in appearance). In people with BDD surgery does nothing to help, the percieved defect is still there in the sufferers mind. Unfortunatley a lot of those people really do end up disfigured because they have so much surgery. so pretty much the opposite of what transexuals experience when they have surgery.

 

[Lonewulf]

I have returned.

Welcome back!

It was my intention to not respond substantively to this thread. I thought there was a good chance that my speculations were right but I couldn't prove it and it seemed there was no particular value in them anyway.

You did say that you were speculating, so it's understandable.

Based on some of Lonewulf's links it appears that my speculations were probably wrong.

Indeed, that would also be my opinion.

The issue of transgenderism was also a topic of discussion on our mountain trip. The general consensus on the trip seemed to be that I was wrong. Interestingly (at least to me) my daughter had two women friends that were living lives as men. As far as she knew they were not pursuing any hormone or surgery treatments.

Always interesting to find out, eh?

Personally, I'm glad that you reviewed the information, and was willing to be skeptical of your own opinion (as well as being cordial through it all). I've gotten tired of the members of this forum that don't show that kind of panache.