Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (part 3)

[gabeygoat]

There have been 54 non-white supremacist double-digit mass shootings since then. I'm guessing there have probably been close to a thousand total mass shootings since then also.

Cool, advocate for gun control then.

 

[Trausti]

Cool, advocate for gun control then.

Why? Much better that we actually lock up career criminals rather them out over and over again.

 

[Blue Mountain]

Why? Much better that we actually lock up career criminals rather them out over and over again.

Jurisdictions such as Canada and the EU that have better gun control laws in place also have far fewer mass shootings.

'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens^WP

 

[Bogative]

Another update on the 18 mass shootings that occurred in the four days after the Maine mass shooting. I challenged fellow forum members to use those random 18 mass shootings to highlight the examples of white mass shooters that they claim I ignore. No one has bothered.



2 black males were arrested for the Clinton, North Carolina mass shooting that left 5 dead.

2 additional black males were identified in the Miami mass shooting.

1 additional black male was arrested for the Wiggins, Mississippi mass shooting.

I will update the list below, feel free to contribute and show everyone all of these white mass shooters I keep ignoring.


18 mass shootings.
2 Latino males.
15 black males.
0 white males.


October 26 – Clinton, North Carolina – 5 killed – Drug-related

Two Men Indicted In 2023 Murder Of Five

CLINTON – United States Attorney Michael F. Easley, Jr., announced today (Wednesday) federal charges against two men arising from the murders of five people in a house on Garland Highway in Sampson County. The indictment alleges that the two are responsible for the October 2023 murders. In a...

jocoreport.com

Black male – Robert Andrew Daquan Williams

Shooting suspect charged with assault, witness intimidation | Sampson Independent

A Clinton man arrested in the shooting of another in Dogwood Circle two years ago has now been charged with assault offenses and witness intimidation in that case, as well as failing to appear in…

www.clintonnc.com

Black male – Derek Donte George

Derek Donte George Arrest Record & Booking Info – Sampson County, North Carolina

Derek Donte George (age 35) was booked in Sampson County, North Carolina. Click to View booking details.

recentlybooked.com

October 27 – Mansfield, Ohio – 2 killed, 4 wounded – House party
Black male – Cyrus J Ellerbe

Mansfield police arrest 22-year-old for party shooting that left 2 dead

A 22-year-old man has been arrested in connection with a shooting that took place during a party in a Mansfield home, according to police.

www.news5cleveland.com

(Check for more later)

October 27 – Little Rock, Arkansas – 1 killed, 4 wounded – Gas station parking lot
Black male – Kamarion Stokes

https://www.kark.com/crime/little-rock-police-identify-suspect-in-october-homicide-investigation/

October 28 – Chicago, Illinois – 4 wounded – Drive-by

October 28 – Texarkana, Texas – 3 killed, 3 wounded
Black male – Breoskii Warren
Black male – Devon Hayden

Two Arrested in Shooting that Left Three Dead

Texarkana, Texas Police have made two arrests in the shooting that left three people dead and three more wounded at a party on Saturday night. Breoskii Warren, 20, turned himself […]

txktoday.com

October 28 – Chula Vista, California – 4 wounded
Black male – (Juvenile, CCTV)

15-year-old suspect arrested after four shot at Otay Ranch Town Center during dispute

Chula Vista police said the shooting did not appear to be an active shooter and it was "not random."

www.cbs8.com

October 28 – Decatur, Georgia – 4 wounded – Drive-by

October 28 – Cumberland, Maryland – 1 killed, 3 wounded – Outside of club
Black male – Devonte Warfield

Hagerstown man charged in Merchants Alley shooting

CUMBERLAND — A Hagerstown man has been charged in connection with a shooting early Saturday that killed a teenager and wounded three others in Merchants Alley off South Mechanic Street,

www.times-news.com

October 28 – Las Cruces, New Mexico – 7 wounded – Drive-by

October 28 – Lake Charles, Louisiana – 6 wounded
Black male – Artavien Green

Suspect apprehended in Bruce Drive shooting

The Calcasieu Parish Sheriff’s Office has identified a 17-year-old juvenile as the suspect in a shooting on Bruce Drive.

www.kalb.com

October 29 – Azusa, California – 4 wounded – House party

October 29 – Chicago, Illinois – 15 wounded
Black male – William A Groves

Man accused of shooting 15 people at Halloween party was convicted of attempted murder in 2008, acquitted of murder in 1997: court records

William Groves, the man Chicago police say shot 15 people at a Halloween party over the weekend was convicted of attempted murder in 2008 and acquitted of first-degree murder in 1997, according to Cook County court records.

cwbchicago.com

October 29 – Wiggins, Mississippi – 1 killed, 3 wounded
Black male – Montrell Malik Quinn II
Black male – Zadarruous Sutton

Suspect charged in connection to deadly weekend shooting at 195 Fruitland Park

According to jail records, 23-year-old Montrell Malik Quinn II of Hattiesburg was arrested and booked into the Forrest County Jail on Wednesday.

www.wdam.com

https://www.hubcityspokes.com/local-content-crime/two-more-suspects-charged-shooting-195-club-forreststone-county-line-bond-set

October 29 – Tampa, Florida – 2 killed, 15 wounded
Black male/mixed-race – Tyrell Stephen Phillips

https://www.pinkvilla.com/trending/world/who-is-tyrell-phillips-ybor-city-shooting-suspect-gets-arrested-and-charged-with-second-degree-murder-1255221

Black male – Kaydn Abney

Teen charged as adult in fatal Ybor City shooting

TPD says Kayden Abney, 14, fired fatal shot.

baynews9.com

Black male – Dwyane Eugene Tillman Jr

Third suspect in the Ybor City shootings will remain in jail

Dwayne Tillman Jr., 21, is accused of firing his gun into the crowded streets of Ybor City over Halloween weekend.

www.wusf.org

October 29 – Atlanta, Georgia – 1 killed, 3 wounded – Gas station parking lot

October 29 – Indianapolis, Indiana – 1 killed, 9 wounded – House party
Alan Peregrino, Juvenile, look for pictures later

October 29 – Dodge City, Kansas – 2 killed, 2 wounded
Latino male – Ricardo J. Cadena-Garcia

MSN

October 29 – Wilson, North Carolina – 4 wounded
Latino male – Braulio Fuentes-Martinez

High school student wanted for shooting four people caught

The shooting happened early Sunday at the Wilson fairgrounds.

www.wect.com

 

[Trausti]

Jurisdictions such as Canada and the EU that have better gun control laws in place also have far fewer mass shootings.

'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens^WP

Causation? What were the gun homicide rates before they had these laws?

 

[gabeygoat]

Another update on the 18 mass shootings that occurred in the four days after the Maine mass shooting. I challenged fellow forum members to use those random 18 mass shootings to highlight the examples of white mass shooters that they claim I ignore. No one has bothered.



2 black males were arrested for the Clinton, North Carolina mass shooting that left 5 dead.

2 additional black males were identified in the Miami mass shooting.

1 additional black male was arrested for the Wiggins, Mississippi mass shooting.

I will update the list below, feel free to contribute and show everyone all of these white mass shooters I keep ignoring.


18 mass shootings.
2 Latino males.
15 black males.
0 white males.


October 26 – Clinton, North Carolina – 5 killed – Drug-related

Two Men Indicted In 2023 Murder Of Five

CLINTON – United States Attorney Michael F. Easley, Jr., announced today (Wednesday) federal charges against two men arising from the murders of five people in a house on Garland Highway in Sampson County. The indictment alleges that the two are responsible for the October 2023 murders. In a...

jocoreport.com

Black male – Robert Andrew Daquan Williams

Shooting suspect charged with assault, witness intimidation | Sampson Independent

A Clinton man arrested in the shooting of another in Dogwood Circle two years ago has now been charged with assault offenses and witness intimidation in that case, as well as failing to appear in…

www.clintonnc.com

Black male – Derek Donte George

Derek Donte George Arrest Record & Booking Info – Sampson County, North Carolina

Derek Donte George (age 35) was booked in Sampson County, North Carolina. Click to View booking details.

recentlybooked.com

October 27 – Mansfield, Ohio – 2 killed, 4 wounded – House party
Black male – Cyrus J Ellerbe

Mansfield police arrest 22-year-old for party shooting that left 2 dead

A 22-year-old man has been arrested in connection with a shooting that took place during a party in a Mansfield home, according to police.

www.news5cleveland.com

(Check for more later)

October 27 – Little Rock, Arkansas – 1 killed, 4 wounded – Gas station parking lot
Black male – Kamarion Stokes

https://www.kark.com/crime/little-rock-police-identify-suspect-in-october-homicide-investigation/

October 28 – Chicago, Illinois – 4 wounded – Drive-by

October 28 – Texarkana, Texas – 3 killed, 3 wounded
Black male – Breoskii Warren
Black male – Devon Hayden

Two Arrested in Shooting that Left Three Dead

Texarkana, Texas Police have made two arrests in the shooting that left three people dead and three more wounded at a party on Saturday night. Breoskii Warren, 20, turned himself […]

txktoday.com

October 28 – Chula Vista, California – 4 wounded
Black male – (Juvenile, CCTV)

15-year-old suspect arrested after four shot at Otay Ranch Town Center during dispute

Chula Vista police said the shooting did not appear to be an active shooter and it was "not random."

www.cbs8.com

October 28 – Decatur, Georgia – 4 wounded – Drive-by

October 28 – Cumberland, Maryland – 1 killed, 3 wounded – Outside of club
Black male – Devonte Warfield

Hagerstown man charged in Merchants Alley shooting

CUMBERLAND — A Hagerstown man has been charged in connection with a shooting early Saturday that killed a teenager and wounded three others in Merchants Alley off South Mechanic Street,

www.times-news.com

October 28 – Las Cruces, New Mexico – 7 wounded – Drive-by

October 28 – Lake Charles, Louisiana – 6 wounded
Black male – Artavien Green

Suspect apprehended in Bruce Drive shooting

The Calcasieu Parish Sheriff’s Office has identified a 17-year-old juvenile as the suspect in a shooting on Bruce Drive.

www.kalb.com

October 29 – Azusa, California – 4 wounded – House party

October 29 – Chicago, Illinois – 15 wounded
Black male – William A Groves

Man accused of shooting 15 people at Halloween party was convicted of attempted murder in 2008, acquitted of murder in 1997: court records

William Groves, the man Chicago police say shot 15 people at a Halloween party over the weekend was convicted of attempted murder in 2008 and acquitted of first-degree murder in 1997, according to Cook County court records.

cwbchicago.com

October 29 – Wiggins, Mississippi – 1 killed, 3 wounded
Black male – Montrell Malik Quinn II
Black male – Zadarruous Sutton

Suspect charged in connection to deadly weekend shooting at 195 Fruitland Park

According to jail records, 23-year-old Montrell Malik Quinn II of Hattiesburg was arrested and booked into the Forrest County Jail on Wednesday.

www.wdam.com

https://www.hubcityspokes.com/local-content-crime/two-more-suspects-charged-shooting-195-club-forreststone-county-line-bond-set

October 29 – Tampa, Florida – 2 killed, 15 wounded
Black male/mixed-race – Tyrell Stephen Phillips

https://www.pinkvilla.com/trending/world/who-is-tyrell-phillips-ybor-city-shooting-suspect-gets-arrested-and-charged-with-second-degree-murder-1255221

Black male – Kaydn Abney

Teen charged as adult in fatal Ybor City shooting

TPD says Kayden Abney, 14, fired fatal shot.

baynews9.com

Black male – Dwyane Eugene Tillman Jr

Third suspect in the Ybor City shootings will remain in jail

Dwayne Tillman Jr., 21, is accused of firing his gun into the crowded streets of Ybor City over Halloween weekend.

www.wusf.org

October 29 – Atlanta, Georgia – 1 killed, 3 wounded – Gas station parking lot

October 29 – Indianapolis, Indiana – 1 killed, 9 wounded – House party
Alan Peregrino, Juvenile, look for pictures later

October 29 – Dodge City, Kansas – 2 killed, 2 wounded
Latino male – Ricardo J. Cadena-Garcia

MSN

October 29 – Wilson, North Carolina – 4 wounded
Latino male – Braulio Fuentes-Martinez

High school student wanted for shooting four people caught

The shooting happened early Sunday at the Wilson fairgrounds.

www.wect.com

These are good anecdotal examples of why gun control is a good idea.

 

[Trausti]

These are good anecdotal examples of why gun control is a good idea.

There is little causal connection between gun control laws and homicide.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

There is little causal connection between gun control laws and homicide.

Perhaps the intention of those who advocate such laws is that they expect them to reduce the prevalence of guns.

It's possible they think the absurdly high number of shootings in the US is causally connected to the high prevalence of guns, rather than being directly due to their being an insufficient number of laws. Do you suppose that might be the case?

 

[arthwollipot]

Causation? What were the gun homicide rates before they had these laws?

Good thing there's actual science to answer your question.

Australia's 1996 gun law reforms: faster falls in firearm deaths, firearm suicides, and a decade without mass shootings - PMC

After a 1996 firearm massacre in Tasmania in which 35 people died, Australian governments united to remove semi‐automatic and pump‐action shotguns and rifles from civilian possession, as a key component of gun law reforms. To determine whether ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The bit you're looking for:

Results

In the 18 years before the gun law reforms, there were 13 mass shootings in Australia, and none in the 10.5 years afterwards. Declines in firearm‐related deaths before the law reforms accelerated after the reforms for total firearm deaths (p = 0.04), firearm suicides (p = 0.007) and firearm homicides (p = 0.15), but not for the smallest category of unintentional firearm deaths, which increased. No evidence of substitution effect for suicides or homicides was observed. The rates per 100 000 of total firearm deaths, firearm homicides and firearm suicides all at least doubled their existing rates of decline after the revised gun laws.

Conclusions

Australia's 1996 gun law reforms were followed by more than a decade free of fatal mass shootings, and accelerated declines in firearm deaths, particularly suicides. Total homicide rates followed the same pattern. Removing large numbers of rapid‐firing firearms from civilians may be an effective way of reducing mass shootings, firearm homicides and firearm suicides.

 

[Trausti]

Good thing there's actual science to answer your question.

Australia's 1996 gun law reforms: faster falls in firearm deaths, firearm suicides, and a decade without mass shootings - PMC

After a 1996 firearm massacre in Tasmania in which 35 people died, Australian governments united to remove semi‐automatic and pump‐action shotguns and rifles from civilian possession, as a key component of gun law reforms. To determine whether ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The bit you're looking for:

 

[Trausti]

Gun Control: What Happened in England, Ireland, and Canada

 

[Trausti]

An analogy could probably be made with knife crime in the UK. The UK has always had knives, but not until recently has knife crime become a serious problem. It's not the knife.

 

[arthwollipot]

You just can't stand that it has been shown that gun control can be effective, can you?

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

These are good anecdotal examples of why gun control is a good idea.

There are many good reasons to have strict controls on he ownership of guns and other weapons. Hence why the founding fathers explicitly tied the possession of weapons to being an active member of a government controlled militia in the US constitution.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

The UK homicide figures around the 2000's were heavily distorted by one man, Dr Harold Shipman, he was believed to have killed over 230 people over three decades but his victims weren't recognised as having been murdered until his crimes came to light and the subsequent police investigation and enquiry. British crime statistics aren't revised historically so suspected victims going back to the 1960's were included in the late 1990's to 2005 figures. UK homicides are so low that this was enough to cause a peak.

 

[arthwollipot]

Notice also that the graph tops out at 2 homicides per 100,000 population. We're talking about variations of fractions of a percentage point.

 

[Trausti]

You just can't stand that it has been shown that gun control can be effective, can you?

Ugh, and it didn't work in Brazil because? If you take a population that already had low rates of homicide and say same later policy caused that low rate of homicide then you have no understanding of causation.

 

[Trausti]

The UK homicide figures around the 2000's were heavily distorted by one man, Dr Harold Shipman, he was believed to have killed over 230 people over three decades but his victims weren't recognised as having been murdered until his crimes came to light and the subsequent police investigation and enquiry. British crime statistics aren't revised historically so suspected victims going back to the 1960's were included in the late 1990's to 2005 figures. UK homicides are so low that this was enough to cause a peak.

UK homicide rates were low before any gun control.

 

[Trausti]

THE AUSTRALIAN FIREARMS BUYBACK AND ITS EFFECT ON GUN DEATHS

This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the NFA on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects—that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods. Since the 1996 Port Arthur massacre, two other shooting incidents have attracted much media attention in Australia. An incident on October 21, 2002 at Monash University, in which a gunman killed two people and wounded five, prompted the National Handgun Buyback Act of 2003. Under this scheme that ran from July to December 2003, 70,000 handguns were removed from the community at a cost of approximately A$69 million. Another shooting on June 18, 2007, in which a lone gunman killed a man who had come to the aid of an assault victim and seriously wounded two others in Melbourne’s central business district during morning rush hour, renewed calls for tougher gun controls. Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears, the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.

 

[Trausti]