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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (part 3)

erwinl said:
According to this research, the average European fire arm homicide is 0.3 per 100000.
Most of it between criminals.

According to this site, there were some 21000 murders by firearms in 2021 in the US. (note, I'm omitting firearms related suicides in this)

If I have my math correct this would translate, with about 330 milion Americans, to about 6.3 firearms murders per 100000.
Which is 21 times as much as the average European level.
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But look at how free Americans are compared to Europeans. Surely that compensates and justifies!!!

:rolleyes:
 
Greenland has 20% the gun ownership rare of the USA, but 80% of our murder rate. How is this possible?

Haiti has a gun ownership rate of 2.7 per 100,000, but almost double America's murder rate. How is this possible?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Jamaica's gun ownership rate is 8.8 per 100,000, murder rate is 52 per 100,000.

How can this be?


USA has a murder rate of 6.8 per 100,000, gun ownership rate of 120 per 100,000.

How can a nation that has a much lower gun ownership rate than the USA have a much higher murder rate?
 
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Hercules56 said:
Greenland has 20% the gun ownership rare of the USA, but 80% of our murder rate. How is this possible?

Haiti has a gun ownership rate of 2.7 per 100,000, but almost double America's murder rate. How is this possible?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Jamaica's gun ownership rate is 8.8 per 100,000, murder rate is 52 per 100,000.

How can this be?

USA has a murder rate of 6.8 per 100,000, gun ownership rate of 120 per 100,000.

How can a nation that has a much lower gun ownership rate than the USA have a much higher murder rate?
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Americans sure like to compare themselves to some "interesting" countries when trying to justify unpleasant things in their own country.
 
Steve said:
Americans sure like to compare themselves to some "interesting" countries when trying to justify unpleasant things in their own country.
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What's "interesting" about Jamaica, Haiti and Greenland?

Shouldn't murder rate and gun ownership rate have a direct corollary relationship? Apparently it doesn't.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Greenland has 20% the gun ownership rare of the USA, but 80% of our murder rate. How is this possible?

Haiti has a gun ownership rate of 2.7 per 100,000, but almost double America's murder rate. How is this possible?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Jamaica's gun ownership rate is 8.8 per 100,000, murder rate is 52 per 100,000.

How can this be?


USA has a murder rate of 6.8 per 100,000, gun ownership rate of 120 per 100,000.

How can a nation that has a much lower gun ownership rate than the USA have a much higher murder rate?
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Are you really asking such an asinine question or trying to make a/some point?
 
Hercules56 said:
So you're saying a higher gun ownership rate doesn't mean a nation will necessarily have more murders? K.
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Should have known - but I always hope for better - bad faith answers as ever and no interest in having a meaningful discussion.
 
Hercules56 said:
Greenland has 20% the gun ownership rare of the USA, but 80% of our murder rate. How is this possible?

Haiti has a gun ownership rate of 2.7 per 100,000, but almost double America's murder rate. How is this possible?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Jamaica's gun ownership rate is 8.8 per 100,000, murder rate is 52 per 100,000.

How can this be?

USA has a murder rate of 6.8 per 100,000, gun ownership rate of 120 per 100,000.

How can a nation that has a much lower gun ownership rate than the USA have a much higher murder rate?
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It's easy. All you do is take the total homicide rate and use that as the gun homicide rate in your calculation. A tricky oversight! :rolleyes:

Reality check: 2020 saw approx 1200 gun homicides in Jamaica, out of a population of 2.8 million. That's a rate of 0.04%, or about the European average.
 
Steve said:
Americans who are compelled to justify American exceptionalism in order to downplay their ridiculously high murder gun rate.
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We have a much lower murder rate than MANY nations.

Including ones that have a much lower gun ownership rate than the USA.

:)
 
Steve said:
All of which you are so proud to compare your country to, such as the example you gave of Haiti.
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The USA has a lower murder rate than:

Jamaica
U.S. Virgin Islands
South Africa 
Saint Lucia *
Honduras *
Lesotho *
Belize *
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Saint Kitts and Nevis *
Trinidad and Tobago *
Bahamas Americas
Saint Martin
Myanmar *
Anguilla
Mexico *
Colombia *
Brazil *
Nigeria *
Guatemala *
Venezuela *
El Salvador *
Antigua and Barbuda Americas
Curaçao
Saint Pierre
Guyana *
Iraq.
Eritrea
South Sudan
Ecuador 
Dominica
French Guiana
Haiti *
Eswatini
Panama *
Namibia *
Barbados
Costa Rica *
Palau
Nicaragua
Bermuda
Botswana
Dominican Republic 
Iraq
Papua New Guinea 
Uruguay
Ethiopia *
Uganda
British Virgin Islands
Paraguay *
Kiribati
Russia *



and a much higher gun ownership rate than ALL of them.
 
Norman Alexander said:
It's easy. All you do is take the total homicide rate and use that as the gun homicide rate in your calculation. A tricky oversight! :rolleyes:

Reality check: 2020 saw approx 1200 gun homicides in Jamaica, out of a population of 2.8 million. That's a rate of 0.04%, or about the European average.
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1200 gun homicides in a population of 2.8 million is about 43 per 100,000 and so would be around 140 times the rate for Europe - if Europe's rate is 0.3 per 100,000 as per erwinl's post.
 
Hercules56 said:
Greenland has 20% the gun ownership rare of the USA, but 80% of our murder rate. How is this possible?

Haiti has a gun ownership rate of 2.7 per 100,000, but almost double America's murder rate. How is this possible?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Jamaica's gun ownership rate is 8.8 per 100,000, murder rate is 52 per 100,000.

How can this be?


USA has a murder rate of 6.8 per 100,000, gun ownership rate of 120 per 100,000.

How can a nation that has a much lower gun ownership rate than the USA have a much higher murder rate?
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Those gun ownership rates are actually per 100 people - not per 100,000.
I thought they looked a little low. We have 120,000 guns per 100,000 people.
 
We've discussed this before, countries with higher gun homicide rates than the US. As was reported the other day on NPR.
"It is a little surprising that a country like ours should have this level of gun violence," Ali Mokdad, a professor of global health and epidemiology at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, told NPR. "If you compare us to other well-off countries, we really stand out." To be sure, there are quite a few countries where gun violence is a substantially larger problem than in the United States — particularly in Central America and the Caribbean. Mokdad said a major driver is the large presence of gangs and drug trafficking. "The gangs and drug traffickers fight among themselves to get more territory, and they fight the police," Mokdad said. Citizens who are not involved are also often caught in the crossfire. NPR link
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Hercules56 said:
Greenland has 20% the gun ownership rare of the USA, but 80% of our murder rate. How is this possible?

Haiti has a gun ownership rate of 2.7 per 100,000, but almost double America's murder rate. How is this possible?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Jamaica's gun ownership rate is 8.8 per 100,000, murder rate is 52 per 100,000.

How can this be?


USA has a murder rate of 6.8 per 100,000, gun ownership rate of 120 per 100,000.

How can a nation that has a much lower gun ownership rate than the USA have a much higher murder rate?
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The gun ownership rate is actually per 100. So the USA has 120 guns per 100 people or 1.2 each on average.

This however, is the wrong statistic, because there is a difference between everybody owning one gun and one person owning 300 million guns. You need to look at the number of people per 100 who own or have easy access to at least one gun.
 
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