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Cont: The thread for stupidity from GQP politicians who don't have their own thread Part II

Gulliver Foyle said:
Shows how distorted US politics is that you can think Sinema is a "centrist" or that you think that being a centrist is a good thing.

Over here she would be looked on as a Hermann Kelly or a Ben Gilroy type.
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I think that the reaction is more towards the "far-right nutjob" claim than anything else. Sinema definitely has real problems, yes. I'm honestly not too adverse to calling her a nutjob, even, so long as it's not a far-right one. There's still a huge gap between her politics in practice and the far-right nutjobs that increasingly dominate the Republican Party, after all, and she certainly is a centrist in comparison to our far-right nutjobs. She might be a right-winger in the bigger picture, sure, but even then, it's a bit of a stretch to call her far right, even if she might pass as locally far right if she was moved to some other countries. As it is, pushing false equivalences on this only helps the actual far-right nutjobs, for much the same reasons as why bothsiderism benefits whichever side is worse, with benefits increasing as the gap grows.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
Shows how distorted US politics is that you can think Sinema is a "centrist" or that you think that being a centrist is a good thing.

Over here she would be looked on as a Hermann Kelly or a Ben Gilroy type.
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And if she were in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran, Pakistan, or Turkey, she'd be considered a far-left nutjob. The US is not Ireland.

Aridas said:
I think that the reaction is more towards the "far-right nutjob" claim than anything else. Sinema definitely has real problems, yes. I'm honestly not too adverse to calling her a nutjob, even, so long as it's not a far-right one. There's still a huge gap between her politics in practice and the far-right nutjobs that increasingly dominate the Republican Party, after all, and she certainly is a centrist in comparison to our far-right nutjobs. She might be a right-winger in the bigger picture, sure, but even then, it's a bit of a stretch to call her far right, even if she might pass as locally far right if she was moved to some other countries. As it is, pushing false equivalences on this only helps the actual far-right nutjobs, for much the same reasons as why bothsiderism benefits whichever side is worse, with benefits increasing as the gap grows.
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Well said. According to Politifact:

That breakdown found Sinema voted with Biden around 93% of the time. Only four Democrats, — Sens. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, Catherine Cortez Masto and Jacky Rosen of Nevada and Jon Tester of Montana — voted with Biden less often.

Sinema's 93% figure is in the middle compared with her independent colleagues. Sen. Angus King of Maine voted with Biden 98% of the time, and Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont voted with Biden 91% of the time.
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"There is no clear definition of what it means to be an independent in terms of voting records," said David Schultz, a political science and legal studies professor at Hamline University in Minnesota. "However, Sinema is far closer to where all the Democrats are and very far away from where most Republicans are."
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Stacyhs said:
And if she were in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran, Pakistan, or Turkey, she'd be considered a far-left nutjob. The US is not Ireland
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Yea they cared when someone died because no one would perform the abortion she needed. The US really isn't a first world nation.
 
Brainster said:
Absolutely. Mark Shields once noted that there are two kinds of politicians: those who are looking for converts and those who are looking for heretics. Sinema is a heretic to the left loonies, just as Mitt Romney is to the Trumptards. Of course if they would bother to examine their voting records it would become glaringly obvious that Sinema slots in as very liberal on a lot of hot-button issues (100% voting record with Planned Parenthood, for example), and Romney really is moderately conservative. For example, the American Conservative Union gave Romney a 56% rating in 2021, while they gave Sinema a 16%. Everybody would agree that Romney's pretty moderate for an American Republican, right? Sinema is well to the left of him.

ETA: This mindset that anybody to the right of me is equivalent to Adolf Hitler always reminded me of this New Yorker cover. We so often only see distinguishing characteristics of things that are very close to us.
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Sinema ran on a promise to support letting Medicare negotiate drug prices. A position that was extremely popular with her constituents. She then reneged on that promise and raked in huge pharma lobbyists dollars. People don't like being lied to by their politicians. When they do it for money they like it even less.
 
Not quite a politician thing, but, well...

Seattle residents go wildly off-script with Fox News reporter

The latest version comes to us via Media Matters' Kat Abu, and it appears Fox News made the poor decision to actually visit one of these so-called hellscapes—Seattle, in this case—and film it. Bad, bad idea.

Judge Box Wine (aka host Jeanine Pirro) kicks off the segment, saying that Fox News sent a correspondent “to the progressive hellscape, where residents mocked the idea that the city is spiraling out of control.”

What follows is their correspondent, “Johnny,” wandering through lush green landscapes as he accosts random Seattleites who tell him, "I've never seen any crime in Seattle," and, "I've never heard of anyone getting robbed," and, "Crime is a social issue that could be solved by giving people their basic needs"—all while the Fox News chyron screams, “RESIDENTS IN BLUE CITIES ARE EMBRACING THE DECAY.”

It's Green Jacket Lady who takes time out of her day to give Johnny the slapdown everyone on Fox News deserves. "Who are you getting these facts from?" she laughs. "You're from New York, apparently. You’re listening to the wrong people."

JOHNNY: I saw a lot of people shooting up on my way down here.

GREEN JACKET LADY: Oh, did you? Okay. And they were bothering you?

JOHNNY: I was in a car, but you know, people—

GREEN JACKET LADY: Oh no, you were in a car! Oh no, they were hurting you so bad! Oh nooo.
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After arriving, though, Johnny was apparently unable to find any burning apartment buildings and had to settle for accosting people near what appears to be a public park. Fox News then seems to have rushed together a new angle on things: Look at all these happy people unaware they live in a hellscape—it’s madness!
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Gulliver Foyle said:
Are you not worried that the US, even under a Democrat president, is nearer to a bunch of murderous theocratic dictatorships than an actual functioning democracy?
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I'm terribly worried about Trump and his extremist ilk. I don't think I've said anything to indicate otherwise.

But your question is moving the goalpost as my comment was in regard to Kyrsten Sinema being a 'far right nutjob' when her voting record shows she is not. As I've noted before, just because someone is not as far left as you (the general/plural 'you') does not mean they are far right. There is a lot of area between far left and far right.
 
acbytesla said:
Boebert just blamed the camera for her lewd behavior.

Precious.
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When AOC did a dance video to Lisztomania (by Phoenix) with her Boston U mates and the ice hockey mascot, the right were became poutraged, and lost their collective minds as their brains exploded!

When Lauren Boobert puts on a porn show and vapes at a theatre production for children, what do we hear from the right?
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Stacyhs said:
I'm terribly worried about Trump and his extremist ilk. I don't think I've said anything to indicate otherwise.

But your question is moving the goalpost as my comment was in regard to Kyrsten Sinema being a 'far right nutjob' when her voting record shows she is not. As I've noted before, just because someone is not as far left as you (the general/plural 'you') does not mean they are far right. There is a lot of area between far left and far right.
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And yet your rebuttal to my statement is to point at a whole load of theocratic dictatorships. Point out any sane politicial system where Sinema would be considered not far-right and I'll withdraw my statement.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
And yet your rebuttal to my statement is to point at a whole load of theocratic dictatorships. Point out any sane politicial system where Sinema would be considered not far-right and I'll withdraw my statement.
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Which was in response to your comparing Sinema to far-right Irish politicians. The point is that you cannot compare Sinema to Irish politicians any more than she can be compared to those of the countries I mentioned. Which is why I said "The US isn't Ireland".

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle View Post
Shows how distorted US politics is that you can think Sinema is a "centrist" or that you think that being a centrist is a good thing.

Over here she would be looked on as a Hermann Kelly or a Ben Gilroy type.
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Compared to US far-right nutjobs like Gaetz, MTG, Jim Jordan, Chip Roy, and Paul Gosar, Sinema is most certainly not 'far-right' as her voting record proves. Try again.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
And yet your rebuttal to my statement is to point at a whole load of theocratic dictatorships. Point out any sane politicial system where Sinema would be considered not far-right and I'll withdraw my statement.
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In the US the far right are pushing for a theocratic dictatorship (their theology/Trump's dictatorship). So why are you excluding that group when putting Sinema on the left-right continuum? :confused:
 
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