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The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Re-Opened

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The case of the sinking of the Estonia is to be reopened. This was decided September last year and the new investigation begins on Thursday 8 July 2021. Several investigators, including engineers and marine experts will be taking a boat out to the stricken ship which lies 74m to 85m underwater on the seabed. There were talks of covering it with concrete or granite rocks after the accident, but this was rejected. This means the investigation teams will be disturbing the final resting place of over six hundred people, so various memorial services from the neighbouring countries will be held in honour of them on the 9th July 2021.

The preliminary study will map the conditions for the actual assessment of the Estonian wreck, which is scheduled to start next year. In the background is a documentary from the Discovery Network published in 2020. It found damage on the side of a ship resting 80 meters below sea level for which no cause has been given in previous investigations. There is also a hole about four meters long on the side of the ship.
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The original May Day call can be heard here:



28th September, 1994, the cruise ferry ship, MS Estonia, on its way from Tallinn to Stockholm, suddenly sank in the early hours of the morning. The Baltic Sea was rough but that was not something the crews were not used to. A May Day distress call went out as the ship listed to its side and then sank bow down stern up. It was carrying 889 passengers and crew, of which 138 were rescued, another 121 or so bodies were recovered, whilst the remaining 630 who drowned remain in entombed in their watery grave, 41 km from the Finnish island of Ütö, although the waters themselves are international waters. Most of the victims were Swedes and Estonians, with a few other nationalities, including ten Finns.

The official inquiry concluded that the cause of the accident was that the bow doors to the parking area for cars and lorries had come unhinged, allowing sea water to seep in, when it eventually fell off. Survivors report hearing a bang. A treaty between several countries was signed that it was unlawful for anyone to approach the spot where the stricken vessel lies, and it is regularly patrolled by coastguards. One country which did not sign the treaty was Germany.

One day, a couple of investigative German journalists engaged a boat to approach the MS Estonia, they dived below the waves and took pictures. They discovered something staggering: there was a large hole at the side of the ship. This has led to speculation that the disaster was caused by a submarine crashing into it, or one of the lorries, which included Russian military equipment, said to be sneaking secret weapons out of Russia, was the cause, i.e., some kind of explosive. The Germans involved are likely to be arrested and charged if they ever set foot in Sweden.

The new investigation is thanks to the revelations of this German team, as exposed in the Discovery documentary.



Location of MS Estonia here.

One of the survivors was an English guy, Paul Barney, and he tell his amazing story here:

 
Any chance of linking to a pic of the hole? Those 2 videos amount to ~2.5 hours of viewing.
 
A clear case of conspiritis. The official explanation is well documented, researched and very logical. A conspiracy would need a very convoluted and unlikely chain of events.
 
There are lots of stresses a ship is subjected to when going bow down/stern up. More stresses on the way down, more again on hitting bottom, continuing on yet further during the long process of "coming to rest."

So the very alarming and shocking question "why did the original investigation not address the hole" presupposes the hole existed at the time.
 
A clear case of conspiritis. The official explanation is well documented, researched and very logical. A conspiracy would need a very convoluted and unlikely chain of events.

It makes a difference to the survivors and families of the dead. They were refused a £41m compensation pot by a court in Paris as it was deemed no-one was identified as responsible. The theory of the bow door coming loose seemed the obvious reason. The fact the authorities have agreed to revisit the accident is quite remarkable, as they refused for many years. Even it turns out that the hole at the side and what looks like a long horizontal cut was caused by the movement of the ship going down and hitting the bed, at least the families will have a final answer. The boat did list violently to one side which could be caused by a hole appearing on that side and water flooding in. Many surviving witnesses did report a loud bang, which was assumed to be the bow door coming off.
 
Erratum: It was the stern that went down first, not the bow:

In a statement sent to the news agency STT, Tuomo Karppinen and Heimo Iivonen, former members of the Finnish Commission of Inquiry , say that they believe that the hole on Estonia's side was created when the ship sank further into the seabed.

According to them, there are likely to be more holes in the hull of the wreck that may become visible over time and as the shipwreck moves.

- Estonia sank so that the stern sank first, and the stern touched the bottom. The ship remained upright at a 45-degree angle to float the bow above sea level. When it filled, the bow also began to fall down. The whole hull hit the bottom of the sea, Karppinen says.

He believes that when a heavy passenger ship collapses and hits the seabed, "damage will, of course, occur."

When they hit the bottom, the hull of the ship has sagged, as a result of which the steel siding plate on the side has been torn.

Terrible sound of steel tearing
None of the people rescued from Estonia have said that they have heard the sounds of the side hole in the ship. According to Karppinen's and Iivonen's statement, people were saved not only from the ship's engine room but also from cabins that are very close to the hole.

- The side plate was 8-10 millimeters thick steel. If you start tearing one up, it will make a terrible sound, Karppinen says.

According to Iivonen and Karppinen, the four-meter-high hole extends from the car deck to at least the cabin compartment below it. According to them, the Estonian system engineer and others who worked in and rescued from the control room have not said that they found water inside the ship outside the car deck.
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Since it hit the seabed, the wreck has shifted so the drone photos were able to capture the gap appearing.

The issue to be settled is whether the bow doors came off before it sank, as it would not possible to have done so once submerged.

Anyway, it is planned to take a 3-D model of the wreck.
 
Is the issue that the hole\tear wasn't mentioned in the original report? If that's the case then I would be a bit upset too. You don't leave something like that out of a report. That's the only part I'm curious about.
 
Is the issue that the hole\tear wasn't mentioned in the original report? If that's the case then I would be a bit upset too. You don't leave something like that out of a report. That's the only part I'm curious about.

It would be perfectly fine for the report to not mention it if the hole wasn't there when the report was made.

So until that has been established, everything else is supposition.
 
It would be perfectly fine for the report to not mention it if the hole wasn't there when the report was made.

So until that has been established, everything else is supposition.

No arguments, that what I meant and that's all I'm curious about. I'm sure there's a way to find out or at least establish what caused the tear.
 
There’s a thread in CT about this.

Wish I'd known about that thread! Seems the Swedish and Estonian authorities are no longer treating it as conspiracy theory.

It is all very well saying the four metre long gap happened when the stern hit the seabed. However, it is not just a gap, there is actually a 1.2m hole in the middle of it. As ships are designed to be bouyant - the Estonia took a total of ninety minutes to sink - so even if it did sink to the bottom once the bow was 45° it seems unlikely to me that a 'rock caused the hole in the hull' and the split in the thick reinforced steel due to the vessel shifting on the seabed.

At least a proper reevaluation will put these issues to bed once and for all (no pun intended).
 
Is the issue that the hole\tear wasn't mentioned in the original report? If that's the case then I would be a bit upset too. You don't leave something like that out of a report. That's the only part I'm curious about.

No, the hole/tears was not known of until the two German film makers recently (illegally) sent down a drone to take photos. Their documentary is the reason the marine body has decided to amend the law banning all incursions into the area, allowing the investigators access for up to I believe 2026. They will be there until the 16 July but have scheduled two extra days if needed, on this current expedition that arrives Thursday morning (8 July). They plan to make a 3-D model of it, I guess using electronic soundwave type equipment.

The accident happened 1994 so it is interesting they have reopened the case after so long.
 
No arguments, that what I meant and that's all I'm curious about. I'm sure there's a way to find out or at least establish what caused the tear.

I'm sure there is a way. I'm just not sure finding out is worth the effort. I'm also not sure there's any reason to drum up public interest at this point.
 
That's a tear by a pulling force. The one in the image could be a stress tear from any number of force directions.

As for the hatch doors coming off, I thought at the time they said the doors were not properly latched.

ISTM if they never sent down divers to examine the wreck then the theory it was the bow doors coming off is just armchair investigation. Whilst the four metre 'cut' might just be a stress tear (in reinforced strong metal) resulting from moving around on the seabed, it doesn't explain the clear hole within it. AIUI it lies on a muddy seabed, although being near the Finnish archipelago, there might well be granite rocks here and there, but could it cause a hole in thick reinforced metal? For example, where I to drop a cast iron saucepan or even a steel frying pan off a cliff of the same height - 74m - 85m, and it hit a sharp rock at the bottom, would this cause a clear hole in either of them? Maybe they would be dented.
 
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