The Saddam Trial

Mephisto said:
I've been keeping an eye on further developments in Saddam's trial, and I'm really disappointed that the judge in the trial doesn't take better command of the proceedings.
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Yeah, they should have suspected something when the chief judge was revealed to be Rizgar Mohammed al-Ito.
 
toddjh said:
Is there really a point in that? I mean, do they expect the court to say, "Oh, yeah, that's a good point. I'll guess we'll just dissolve ourselves (not literally)?"

Jeremy
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It would be futiel if it was adressed to the court, it wasn't though. For both sides the real audience are the Iraqis.
 
Kerberos said:
For both sides the real audience are the Iraqis.
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You are so right about that, and I feel the possibility of civil war will be unavoidably addressed at the termination of this trial. We should all (on whatever side of the fence we inhabit) keep our fingers crossed here, because it will certainly determine if the concepts of democracy, freedom and justice can stand unaided in Iraq.

The sooner they're on their own, the sooner our guys come home.
 
manny said:
Yeah, they should have suspected something when the chief judge was revealed to be Rizgar Mohammed al-Ito.
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IMO Ito was one of the reasons OJ got off. He lost control and allowed the defense to hijack the court grandstanding for days. One sad example was allowing the defence to examine Fuhrman on his use of the N-word. That said, judge Rizgar Mohammed Amin has some pretty big egos to contend with, and has a far tougher job ahead of him than Ito ever did.

Today, Witness "A" testified about how she and many other families from Dujail were arrested in '82, imprisoned and torchered for four years. Witness "B" testified about how her family was arrested too, and Witness "C" testified about how he, his parents and two infant sisters spent 19 days at the intelligence headquarters and 11 months in Abu Ghraib. His father died from the beatings.

At this point Saddam interrupted the court and complained about his own conditions in detention. Man that guy is a piece of work.
 
zenith-nadir said:
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. . . at this point Saddam interrupted the court and complained about his own conditions in detention. Man that guy is a piece of work.
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As much as I think this trial is a waste of time, I guess it's important to show the Iraqis the concept of, innocent until proven guilty. It's almost impossible for most of us to conceive of anyone so grossly self-centered, but you're right - complaining about having to walk up the stairs to hear the testimony of people whose lives you've ruined horribly really solidifies my belief that some people simply don't deserve to live.
 
Mephisto said:
You are so right about that, and I feel the possibility of civil war will be unavoidably addressed at the termination of this trial. We should all (on whatever side of the fence we inhabit) keep our fingers crossed here, because it will certainly determine if the concepts of democracy, freedom and justice can stand unaided in Iraq.

The sooner they're on their own, the sooner our guys come home.
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Place your bets fellas!

-z
 
The Saddam show ends today with another outburst from the drama queen.

Saddam Vows No Return to 'Unjust' Court

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Saddam Hussein shouted Tuesday that he will not return "to an unjust court" when it convenes for a fifth session the following day. As the end of the session, when the judges decided to resume the trial Wednesday, Saddam suddenly shouted: "I will not return. I will not come to an unjust court! Go to hell!"

Saddam also complained that he had no fresh clothes and had been deprived of shower and exercise facilities. "This is terrorism," he said.

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In a related development, Amnesty International is now accepting donations to buy Saddam a new suit and a haircut.
 
zenith-nadir said:
The Saddam show ends today with another outburst from the drama queen.
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I saw this report today also and was surprised at the concern that Saddam might possibly not show up in court tomorrow.

Is this a real concern? I can't see where (even in a limp-wristed, liberal-run Democracy) he has a choice. Judges have called for boisterous defendants to be bound and gagged through proceedings and nothing would satisfy me more - of course, that might have the same consequences as, "Bring 'em on!"
 
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This has no doubt already been said, but anyone else sense a sickeningly eerie similarity to the OJ trial here? ie a farce/circus/waste of time/etc?

Can't we just line these 2 up and let the beheaders hack away at people who actually deserve it for once??
 
Saddam also complained that he had no fresh clothes and had been deprived of shower and exercise facilities. "This is terrorism," he said.

As Churchill said to Roosevelt after Hitler called the allies' bombing of Rome a "war crime": "That's certainly an expert opinion."
 
Shame on everyone involved with that whole thing, to put it mildly. I almost hope they set him free, just so we can perhaps at last see the outrage and a nice painful death for him - which is what we SHOULD have already seen a long time ago.

This actually blows by the OJ absurdities on the sickening scale by a wide margin, and I regret how one could read my other post above and conclude I meant otherwise.
 
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Dec 7, 7:36 AM (ET)

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Saddam Hussein boycotted his own trial in Baghdad on Wednesday, causing hours of chaotic delay before the court resumed with the former Iraqi president's chair empty.

His lead counsel told the judge Saddam, who had ended Tuesday's fourth session by telling his judges to 'Go to hell', would be absent; the judge called the first witness of the day.

Court officials say that in principle the trial can go ahead without the defendants present, but the court source said the chief judge was keen for Saddam to appear.
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Saddam the drama queen.;)

Dec 7, 2005

BAGHDAD, Iraq (Associated Press) - The trial of Saddam Hussein and seven co-defendants was adjourned Wednesday until Dec. 21 after two witnesses testified in a truncated session which the ousted president did not attend.

After two prosecution witnesses described beatings and torture by the regime, Chief Judge Rizgar Mohammed Amin adjourned the proceedings and said the court would reconvene six days after the Dec. 15 parliamentary elections.
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Rest my case.

I have to remember not to read this thread right before/after eating.

I think the US should pay him reparations for his troubles and discomfort. I'm sure I could get some rocket scientists out in Oregon or Calif. to get up a grass roots effort.
 
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