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Not true. Have a read of the Wikipedia article on the national anthem that covers the various additions to the not-then-the-national anthem, additions such as:

God bless the prince, I pray,
God bless the prince, I pray,
Charlie I mean;
That Scotland we may see
Freed from vile Presbyt'ry,
Both George and his Feckie,
Ever so, Amen.


Touché! Both sides were at it, although the article says that the anti Scots verse 'was included as an integral part of the song in the Oxford Book of Eighteenth Century Verse of 1926' so it was still being been published long after adoption even though, as I noted, it wasn't considered official.

I've never seen or heard the Charlie verse before, but since reading it I've found it referenced in a book called 'Jacobite Minstrelsy' published in 1828. Interesting stuff!
 
When you lot up north get your independence, maybe we can all get new anthems. :D Hopefully without anti-anyone verses, but I expect England Wales & NI will be stuck with God Save the Queen/King. Though Charlie might push for a more inclusive less god-bothering anthem I suppose.
 
Those examples didn't deserve respect or deference either, just like the royal family.

Maybe so, but I was pointing out that your assertion that the Queen is no better than anyone else is false.

But who does deserve respect/deference, in your opinion?

"So help me God" is a figure of speech to me.


Clearly. Is your loyalty to the Constitution also just a figure of speech?


In my opinion there hasn't been an adequate defense of this reason not "to abolish it on more pragmatic grounds." It may sound like that's defending a negative but to me the extraordinary claim is that in this day and age the British hereditary constitutional monarchy serves a valid purpose and thus it is that claim which requires extraordinary evidence.

Okay, then. The defence of this is that few countries go from being a monarchy to being a republic without bloodshed. The UK/England did have a go; it was called the English Civil War, and England was headed up by the Protector General until he died and ... er... his son took over.

The American Revolution is another example of monarchy being thrown off for a republic which again required a lot of bloodshed.

The French Revolution did too. So did the Chinese Revolution. So did the Russian Revolution. The German Revolution occurred at the end of a massive amount of bloodshed called the First World War.

What you're asking is essentially why not take the risk of bloodshed and replace our current system with an untried system presumably created by people with whom I may not agree and with no guarantee that the Armed forces will stay loyal to "the state". If the vast majority of British people consider the Royals to be legitimate then replacing them with something whose legitimacy is uncertain is a bad idea.

to me the extraordinary claim is that in this day and age the British hereditary constitutional monarchy serves a valid purpose and thus it is that claim which requires extraordinary evidence.

It is up to you to find the claim that the monarchy "serves a valid purpose" to be extraordinary and I submit it says far more about your own prejudices rather than anything about objective reality. So, if you don't mind, I will treat the claim as an ordinary one and I will subject it to ordinary standards of evidence such as this poll which was conducted on British attitudes towards the monarchy.

A strong majority among people of all political persuasions and social groups think that Britain would be worse off without the monarchy. While just 26% think the country would be better off getting rid of the royal family, 63% say the opposite.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/apr/24/monarchy-still-relevant-say-britons

ETA:
Almost 80% of people questioned in a telephone poll for the BBC have said Britain should retain its monarchy.
Some 78% of respondents agreed that Britain should still have a royal family and 19% disagreed.

BBC

This is from the Daily Mail, although it is from a few years back. And it is the Daily Mail:

The monarchy still has overwhelming public support, an exclusive poll for the Daily Mail reveals.
Seven out of ten people flatly reject any suggestion of a republic.

Prospect Magazine also think that the majority of British people want to retain the monarchy.
 
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Philip is certainly a laugh. I am not sure if that is a valid justification for retaining them however.
 
If we want rid of them, we already have an assassin ready and waiting.

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Well, I'm not British, but Australia is still a part of the Commonwealth. The Royal Family does not enter into my day-to-day life in any meaningful way. We could become a republic and leave the Commonwealth tomorrow and it would still have no effect on my life or views. The Royals are, more or less, irrelevant to me and I spend very little time thinking about them.

Speaking as a Canuckistani, seconded.

Cum Elizabeth Regina moritur, the monarchy will cease to exist for me, just because since the earliest days of my schooling, she was The Face On The Wall.
 

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