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Stop playing games and answer the question.

We know that you have, at one time, believed that certain people have been proven to be able to communicate with the dead. E.g., Camille Walsh and the psychics in Gary Schwartz' experiments.

Do you still believe that certain people have been proven to be able to communicate with the dead?

Just yes or no.
 
For decades a landmark study determined the heart attack risk of high levels of homocysteine. Millions were given Folic Acid and B12 to lower homocysteine levels until two studies this year, one Norwegian and one American, on over 5000 people determined that there was no relationship between homocysteine levels and heart attack risk and that these supplements which do lower homocysteine levels, may increase heart atack risks. If you asked me last year whether or not high homocysteine levels increased the risk of heart attack and if Folic Acid and B12 helped lower that risk, I would have said yes. If you ask me the same questions today I would say no, they do not. My point is that the absolute term proven is fluid and elusive no matter how it is applied except perhaps in mathemetaics (I am told -- don't know enough about that to comment further). This is why I need to understand and qualify your question when you use a word like "proven" or the past tense of "prove."

I think it is you who is playing a game here. I am trying very hard to answer your question based on its true meaning.

But the problem with your question is that there is no yes or no answer that would apply. If you weren't so lazy and prefer to fall back on this strategy, you would know that when it comes to beliefs there are gradations which the questionnaires including Gallup's, always use.

For example:

Always, sometimes, never.
Strongly agree, somewhat agree, strongly disagree or somewhat disagree.

Therefore based on these precedents your general question cannot be answered speficially nor would I, personally, consider answering such a question with just a simple yes or no.

I suggest to Professor Corey, as well, that he consider the gradation answer format rather than the T/F or Y/N answer for this particular subject area.
 
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Steve - today (with the caveat that your position may change if you become aware of new information etc.) do you believe that some people can communicate with some people who have died?
 
...I know I argued that (2) is true, but one can say that we also respond to monochromatic light in dark conditions.
In conditions of low illumination, below the threshold for the cones, the rods may respond, and we only preceive shades of grey. As the old French saying goes, "At night, all cats are grey."
 
(I am assuming that the correct answer is false for all of them)


This one is nitpicking. We have three color sensors and these are good labels for them.

As always the "truth" is more interesting than simple. Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brian_New_Zealand/Colour

To quote in part:
One of these types (sometimes perceive as green or greenish. One of these types (sometimes called long-wavelength cones, L cones, or, misleadingly, red cones) is most sensitive to light we perceive as yellowish-green, with wavelengths around 564 nm; the other type (sometimes called middle-wavelength cones, M cones, or misleadingly green cones) is most sensitive to light perceived as green, with wavelengths around 534 nm. The term "red cones" for the long-wavelength cones is deprecated as this type is actually maximally responsive to light we perceive as greenish, albeit longer wavelength light than that which maximally excites the mid-wavelength/"green" cones.

We don't really have three colour sensors for red, green and blue. The brain derives colour information for the sensors it does have as described above.

ISTR that Dr Edwin Land did a lot of work in this area.

Gord
 
Steve - today (with the caveat that your position may change if you become aware of new information etc.) do you believe that some people can communicate with some people who have died?

Mr. Larsen uses the word proven but will not suffer to define it. I will use the answer.com definition:

"Having been demonstrated or verified without doubt."

Using this definition the answer would be no, I do not believe this.

With respect to the specific examples Mr. Larsen brought up:

e.g. Gary Schwartz' work. The answer would be that since I did not
witness the responses by which claims were made for these studies and that since Gary has not released unedited verbatim transcripts of the sessions together with unedited ratings of the responses, I would have to say no, his research has not demonstrated or verified the premise without a doubt (by me).

Camille Walsh is another matter. I have had a personal encounter with her and I am perplexed by the apparent validity and nature of that encounter without going into details. I remain agnostic regarding Walsh but I have decided for personal reasons not to pursue it further. Kindly respect that.
 
...We don't really have three colour sensors for red, green and blue. The brain derives colour information for the sensors it does have as described above.
Gord

All true. But the question says, "Our eyes respond to the primary colors red, blue and green." The point is that those are the primary colors in additive color mixture. Many students familiar with subtractive color mixture (mixing paints} want to say that yellow is a primary color. They are shocked to see the additive mixture of red and green produces yellow.
 
I think it is you who is playing a game here. I am trying very hard to answer your question based on its true meaning.

But the problem with your question is that there is no yes or no answer that would apply. If you weren't so lazy and prefer to fall back on this strategy, you would know that when it comes to beliefs there are gradations which the questionnaires including Gallup's, always use.

For example:

Always, sometimes, never.
Strongly agree, somewhat agree, strongly disagree or somewhat disagree.

Therefore based on these precedents your general question cannot be answered speficially nor would I, personally, consider answering such a question with just a simple yes or no.

I suggest to Professor Corey, as well, that he consider the gradation answer format rather than the T/F or Y/N answer for this particular subject area.

You are the one playing games here, Steve.

Mr. Larsen uses the word proven but will not suffer to define it. I will use the answer.com definition:

"Having been demonstrated or verified without doubt."

Using this definition the answer would be no, I do not believe this.

Then, please explain your statements of yore:

In the UK, the trance medium consulted was Robin Winbow.
The only other valid medium we found there was Kimberly Clark.
which was done cold over the phone and then, for a proxy, via the internet. In NY the trance medium with whom I had the described experience was Camille Walsh, however.

Do you still believe that Robin Winbow is a "valid medium"?

Do you still believe that Kimberley Clark is a "valid medium"?

My wife and I had a personal experience with Fry which was positively bad whereas the one we had with Walsh was good.
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Our experience with Walsh was personal, anecdotal and has no scientific value whatsoever. I do not expect anyone to accept iit. It was given as a reason I got interested in this. Nothing more.

Keen, who as you know, is very active as an investigator with the SPR is fully aware of Walsh and my 195 valid pieces of information a communicator spoke out through her.

And, of course, I now cannot help comparing JE and anyone else performing publicly with Walsh as well. While I appreciated the input of people who tried to explain everything she said, I could not agree that she could provide that information in such rich detail merely by possibly knowing someone who knew someone who knew someone who knew me who gave me her private phone number for an appoinment. Extremely private information not known to anyone in this chain and was provided without a single question being asked. Highly specific details.

Do you still believe that Camille Walsh got 195 valid pieces of information which a communicator spoke out through her? Extremely private information not known to anyone, highly specific details?

Thank you Darat and Clancie for pointing out that it was Camille Wash and MY personal interaction with her that convinced me of the validity of post mortem communication or ADC as some prefer to call it. Although I have Larsen on ignore, thanks (I think) to some others here, I reiterate that my visiting Walsh was personal, it was convincing to me, it was not a lab experiment, there were no statistical results (actually everything the communicator said through her was accurate), I did not replicate or reproduce her session, and the only controls I had I have gone over before and finally I am not publishing my encouner in any form other than limited form to explain my open minded interest in this.

The meager controls I employed included:

1. making the appointment from an extension on a switchboard handling 6, 000 phone extensions. At that time if you had caller ID or hit *69 you would get back a message saying the "Number was not Available by this method".

2. using my first name only.

3. not using a credit card which wasnt accepted anyway

I since learned Camile accepts many people without any payment including 9-11 families locally. The only publicity she ever received for this was in the article which quoted Corey. Randi, myself and Gary Schwartz were were also consulted. The reporter called Schwartz who then referred him to me because I told Gary about Walsh and Gary knew I had seen her. If you want to play dueling appeal to authorities, in addition they interviewed the psychiatrist who is VP of the Behavioral Sciences Unit at my institution. Like Dr. Corey he is a psychiatric professional but has had decades of clinical experience. I believe Professor Corey is a teacher and (correct me if I am wrong) has not been in clinical practice. This story was done six months after I had seen her. It came about because one of the 9-11 families was a friend of the publisher of the local paper and she came to the paper with it. The reporter who did it, whom I have since become friends with, was out to unmask her but he became convinced himself .... I think. He's still not sure. He balanced the story well with quotes from Randi and Corey. But yes, the 9-11 person and myself were the only two interviewed who had first hand experience with Walsh. This is evident of Corey who quotes the standard line of the party re cold, warm and hot reading. There was no cold reading because there were no questions and no feedback. There was no warm reading because I consciously did my best not to cnvey any emotion and dress neutrally. There was no hot reading because I was anonymous and because the information given was so personal it was not available doing prior research even if Walsh knew who I was which she didnt. Thus Corey cannot explain Walsh's methods by these methods.

Now on to Camille. I was asked by her granddaughter who books her appointments to bring photos with me.
I brought three which included one of the deceased and two same age, same gender look-alike persons who were alive.

I arrived at her home a few minutes early and was shown into an office in her house. She sat behind the desk, I sat in front of it. I wore a business suit, tie, no jewelry, watch or anything like that.

She took out a pad and handed it to me with a pencil so I could take notes. I brought one which I used. She took out another pad and sat there scribbling on it like George Anderson does but appearing to get drowsy or sleepy. She raised her head and pointed at one person in the pictures and said "Hey, that's me." It was a correct i.d. of the deceased. Okay, 1 out of 3. Next time I will bring ten, if there is a next time.

She then fell alseep right in front of me. Breathing became slightly noisy as one's breathing does when asleep but of course I had no scientific way of knowing if she was asleep or not although I have years of experience watching people sleep in subway cars.


She then proceeded to talk in the first person, in her own voice, for one hour and fifty minutes. I was not asked any questions. I did not give any feedback, assents or nays or anything. I just kept writing with the pad in my lap so she couldnt see it.

So:

I was anonymous to her.
I was not asked any questions.
I did not give any feedback.

The deceased did not mention his name and mentioned only one human name right away , that of a friend of the deceased whom I did not know well. The communicator said "Tell Frank not to go to California." I didn't know Frank was leaving Brooklyn or going anywhere. Several days later I went to see him and told him this. He said it was true, he was moving to California. He went anyway.


She did not mention any diseases or causes of death.

She did not talk in the second or third person. She did not relate what she saw or thought she heard. She talked only in the first person and everything she said came straight from the mouth of the deceased.

"Oh, ____(correct nick name), thanks also for the pin." The night before I visited Walsh, in the privacy of my own living room with no one to see, I stuck a US Flag Label pin into his picture frame.

He told me where to find a missing pair of sunglasses. They were later found where he said.


I am not going to run through the entire session here, not for Claus or for anyone. Claus can rightfully consider it anecdoal. It was my experience and mine alone, subjective and is my personal justification for thinking that memories, information, ability to acquire info and even personality and emotions survive physical death in some way. It is a very far fetched notion for me so I am looking for physical evidence and proof of this in quantum theory and in electroencephalographic evidence. If I never find it, so be it . I am interested in the many competing theories and theorists who think they have.

It was after having seen Walsh that I started experiencing doubts about JE. If he was real he was afraid of allowing a communicator to use him like Walsh
did or couldn't do this at all and was a fake. The more I see of him the more I think this of him. Or JE is a cold reader and not a very good one.

Walsh did not ask questions, did not get feedback, did not throw out a bunch of J names or fumble with homophones. She didnt bring up relationships either and didnt ask about anything at all as JE does. In fact if I believe anything it was not her talking at all.

Up to then, I was naive to mediums, only knowing JE from the tube so I didnt know that there are any number of low profile mediums that work like Walsh. The rest of them I don't trust.

Do you still stand by what you said in the post above, yes or no?

I still have that phone book so I am sure..

Listen, I work for an institution with 4,500 employees and 6000 phone extensions (includes patient rooms and staff) At my site we have about 300 in the building during the day
and a third that number night. I score and analyze test results in the daytime of procedures conducted the night before.

It was mid July, after my loss, and I was out on the promenade having a cup of coffee and one of the staffers said she had an appointment to see Walsh and then, not really talking to me, she told the group about what she heard about her. I didnt do any talking and they didnt know about my personal life. They did pass her phone number around and I may have memorized it then but I remember looking it up as well. To double check I just did so again but its in a 2000-2001 directory which I kept for no particular reason. I frankly didnt feel like telling anybody, at that time, I was even remotely interested in this.

I have never discussed the subject of his missing sunglasses, I never told anyone I was placing a flag pin on his picture frame and nobody knew we had three dogs that grew up with him and predeceased him. I wasnt even working there then. There is no way Walsh would know he had a friend named Frank moving to California because I hardly knew the guy and didnt know he was going even to tell anyone in advance about it. There was not a single thing uttered that didnt make sense or wasn't veridical on its own.
Nobody knew I donated two of his three cars to charity ("Good move, giving them to Children's Aid" ). Yes that was the name of the charity and it was not local but in a nearby state.
Again, I have no intention of giving you all 192 some odd pieces of information that were correct which I tabulated. You just have to accept this as anecdotal, subjective and my personal reasons for looking for a scientific explanation for a phenomenon which most of you say doesnt exist ... a sentiment before then I would've agreed with.

Do you still stand by what you said in the post above, yes or no?

Thats a problem. I thought JE was the greatest also and was the only medium I had had any exposure to like most people. But he was somebody on TV (until I got a chance to go in person) so I was leery of him from the outset. I didnt see any of the tricks people allege for JE when I went to thre studio either. Others will agree he doesnt need them because he is cold reading. If we are going to criticize someone we must be honest about it and the Jaroff/Randi/Shermer/Michael O'Neil stuff was a pile of crap.

I think JE is a cold reader now, especially after the last LKL which I repeated here a number of times. My worldview has not changed because of this.

The above post is evidence that you did, at one time, believe that John Edward could talk to dead people. Do you today think that your belief in John Edward was based on wishful thinking?

With respect to the specific examples Mr. Larsen brought up:

e.g. Gary Schwartz' work. The answer would be that since I did not
witness the responses by which claims were made for these studies and that since Gary has not released unedited verbatim transcripts of the sessions together with unedited ratings of the responses, I would have to say no, his research has not demonstrated or verified the premise without a doubt (by me).

So, you are in disagreement with Schwartz here? Yes or no?

Camille Walsh is another matter. I have had a personal encounter with her and I am perplexed by the apparent validity and nature of that encounter without going into details. I remain agnostic regarding Walsh but I have decided for personal reasons not to pursue it further. Kindly respect that.

You have brought up Camille Walsh as an example of someone who can, in fact, get information that could only have been provided by dead people. You have also believed that John Edward could speak to dead people. This is a forum where members can discuss paranormal claims. You have, in the past, done just that.

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All true. But the question says, "Our eyes respond to the primary colors red, blue and green." The point is that those are the primary colors in additive color mixture. Many students familiar with subtractive color mixture (mixing paints} want to say that yellow is a primary color. They are shocked to see the additive mixture of red and green produces yellow.

How about a course on evolutionary psychology?

Old-World Primates Evolved Color Vision To Better See Each Other Blush, Study Reveals

<!-- BODY BEGIN -->Your emotions can easily be read by others when you blush--at least by others familiar with your skin color. What's more, the blood rushing out of your face when you're terrified is just as telling. And when it comes to our evolutionary cousins the chimpanzees, they not only can see color changes in each other's faces, but in each other's rumps as well.
http://www.arn.org/blogs/index.php/2?author=8

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060320221839.htm
 
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In the UKs national lottery the single most popular combination of number sold on tickets is 1 2 3 4 5 6. If that sequence ever came up, there would be a lot of very disappointed winners who thought they where being clever.
Do you have data on the number of times each combination of numbers has been sold in the UK national lottery? If so, can you provide a link? Thanks.
 
Steve,

If you do not think that mediumship has been demonstrated or verified without doubt:

  • Do you still believe that Robin Winbow is a "valid medium"? Yes or no.

  • Do you still believe that Kimberley Clark is a "valid medium"? Yes or no.

  • Do you still believe that Camille Walsh got 195 valid pieces of information which a communicator spoke out through her? Extremely private information not known to anyone, highly specific details? Yes or no.

  • Do you still stand by what you have said about your meeting with Camille Walsh? Yes or no.

  • Do you today think that your belief in John Edward was based on wishful thinking? Yes or no.

  • Are you in disagreement with Gary Schwartz wrt to the existence of mediumship? Yes or no.

Six questions. Yes or No. Nothing could be simpler.
 
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Steve,

If you do not think that mediumship has been demonstrated or verified without doubt:

  • Do you still believe that Robin Winbow is a "valid medium"? Yes or no.

  • Do you still believe that Kimberley Clark is a "valid medium"? Yes or no.

  • Do you still believe that Camille Walsh got 195 valid pieces of information which a communicator spoke out through her? Extremely private information not known to anyone, highly specific details? Yes or no.

  • Do you still stand by what you have said about your meeting with Camille Walsh? Yes or no.

  • Do you today think that your belief in John Edward was based on wishful thinking? Yes or no.

  • Are you in disagreement with Gary Schwartz wrt to the existence of mediumship? Yes or no.

Six questions. Yes or No. Nothing could be simpler.
 
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  • Do you still believe that Robin Winbow is a "valid medium"? Yes or no.
Yes or no cannot be used. Winbow went into an apparent trace and adopted the foreign accent of the deceased which he could not have known. Beyond that I am agnostic about his abilities.
  • Do you still believe that Kimberley Clark is a "valid medium"? Yes or no.
Yes or no cannot be used. Clark determined the name, description, breed and even the name of a dog's dog relatives which were accurate. These animals lived over 40 years ago, were linked to deceased humans that died in the 1960s. as did the dogs. No record of their existence occurs in any public record, on the net or anywhere that I could find. The circumstances of the encounter were anonymous, over a 3rd party's telephone, connected trans-Atlantically.
  • Do you still believe that Camille Walsh got 195 valid pieces of information which a communicator spoke out through her? Extremely private information not known to anyone, highly specific details? Yes or no.
I admitted I am perplexed by the accuracy and nature of Walsh's trance so remain agnostic concerning her.
  • Do you still stand by what you have said about your meeting with Camille Walsh? Yes or no.
Yes. My reports of the encounter remain accurate and have no reason to change with time.
  • Do you today think that your belief in John Edward was based on wishful thinking? Yes or no.
I have never been read by JE. I remain leery of his abilities. I have said so in the quotes I made which you provided. I am particularly disturbed by his protests not to give him information followed immediately by requests for information. I conclude he is probably cleverly playing the game of 20 questions, and as such is a cold reader. Like everyone else we are sometimes astounded by what he says but in the end an overall analysis of his entire performance must be weighed against individual wishful thinking. An occasional dazzle shot, as it has been called, does not make for a consistently excellent player. There is a seven year kid old next store to me who occasionally makes a difficult basket as well.
The Nets are not recruiting him just yet.
  • Are you in disagreement with Gary Schwartz wrt to the existence of mediumship? Yes or no.
I already stated that I have not seen the unedited verbatim transcripts of his work so I am unable to accept his conclusions. Gary is fully aware of this concern, and I am not the only person to have voiced about this. Therefore once again the yes or no answer does not apply. It is a pity his work has not taken advantage of a chat room format which would return an accurate and virtually instantaneous transcript at no added expense. It is also a pity that
Randi, Shermer or even Hyman did not suffer to take the time and effort to accept Schwartz' invitation to visit his lab and look at the tapes on site. I suppose we will never know.
 
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Yes or no cannot be used. Winbow adopted the foreign accent of the
deceased which he could not have known. Beyond that I am agnostic about his abilities.

But you declared that Robin Winbow was a "valid medium". Was this the only reason you decided that Robin Winbow was a "valid medium"? A foreign accent? Not voice of the deceased, but only accent?

If you don't believe he is a "valid medium" today, what caused you to change your mind?

Yes or no cannot be used. Clark determined the name, description, breed and even the name of a dog's dog relatives which were accurate. These animal lived over 40 years ago and died in the 1960s. No record of their existence occurs in any public rfecord, on the net.

But you declared that Kimberley Clark was a "valid medium". Were these the only reasons you decided that Kimberley Clark was a "valid medium"?

If you don't believe she is a "valid medium" today, what caused you to change your mind?

I admitted I am perplexed by the accuracy and nature of Walsh's trance so remain agnostic concerning her.
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Yes. My reports of the encounter remain accurate and have no reason to change with time.

So, you still believe that Camille Walsh can talk to dead people. Ergo, you believe in mediumship.

I have never been read by JE. I remain leery of his abilities. I have said so in the quotes I made which you provided. I am particularly disturbed by his protests not to give him information followed immediately by requests for information. I conclude he is probably cleverly playing the game of 20 questions, and as such is a cold reader. Like everyone else we are sometimes astounded by what he says but in the end an overall analysis of his entire performance must be weighed against individual wishful thinking. An occasional dazzle shot, as it has been called, does not make for a consistently exvcellent player.

Have you also performed this overall analysis of Robin Winbow?

Have you also performed this overall analysis of Kimberley Clark?

Have you also performed this overall analysis of Camille Walsh?

I already stated that I have not seen the unedited verbatim transcripts of his work so I am unable to accept his conclusions. Gary is fully aware of this concern, and I am not the only person to have voiced about this. Therefore once again the yes or no answer does not apply. It is a pity his work has not taken advantage of a chat room format which would return an accurate and virtually instantaneous transcript at no added expense.

OK, so you are in disagreement with Gary Schwartz: There is no scientific evidence of mediumship. Yet, you believe that Camille Walsh can talk to dead people.
 
It is also a pity that
Randi, Shermer or even Hyman did not suffer to take the time and effort to accept Schwartz' invitation to visit his lab and look at the tapes on site. I suppose we will never know.

You know perfectly well that Schwartz demanded to control what Randi said.

You also know perfectly well that there is no valid reason why Schwartz couldn't send the data to Florida.

You also know perfectly well that no scientist has seen Schwartz' data.

Don't start with your lies again, Steve. I am perfectly happy to counter them with the harsh facts. Once again.
 
OK, so you are in disagreement with Gary Schwartz: There is no scientific evidence of mediumship. Yet, you believe that Camille Walsh can talk to dead people.


Not one of the persons cited purported to talk to dead people. They did not claim to be talking to dead people, they did not claim dead people were talking to them, they did not ask dead people any questions and they did not get any answers from dead people. Camille Walsh never said she was talking to a dead person or to any person. She lapsed into what appeared to be a hypnotic trance and just spoke continuously. Nor did she ask me any questions after this happened. <O:p</O:p
 
You know perfectly well that Schwartz demanded to control what Randi said.

You also know perfectly well that there is no valid reason why Schwartz couldn't send the data to Florida.

You also know perfectly well that no scientist has seen Schwartz' data.

Don't start with your lies again, Steve. I am perfectly happy to counter them with the harsh facts. Once again.


Whatever you say is fine with me. The fact is Randi, Shermer and Hyman were invited and did not go to the lab. If there were conditions none of these liked fine. The story I got was that Schwartz wanted the opportunity of seeing and responding to their evaluations in advance. If Randi or you decided this was controlling what he, Randi said, I cannot say whether or not this is correct.

Sending the original data to Florida with Randi's conditions which was to do with it whatever he wanted was not an acceptable condition from the University's point of view either.
 
Not one of the persons cited purported to talk to dead people. They did not claim to be talking to dead people, they did not claim dead people were talking to them, they did not ask dead people any questions and they did not get any answers from dead people. Camille Walsh never said she was talking to a dead person or to any person. She lapsed into what appeared to be a hypnotic trance and just spoke continuously. Nor did she ask me any questions after this happened. <O:p</O:p

This is pure rubbish. All of these mediums have a reputation of talking to dead people. Of getting information from dead people. Of being taken over by dead people.

Was this the only reason you decided that Robin Winbow was a "valid medium"? A foreign accent? Not voice of the deceased, but only accent?

If you don't believe he is a "valid medium" today, what caused you to change your mind?

Were these the only reasons you decided that Kimberley Clark was a "valid medium"?

If you don't believe she is a "valid medium" today, what caused you to change your mind?

Have you also performed this overall analysis of Robin Winbow?

Have you also performed this overall analysis of Kimberley Clark?

Have you also performed this overall analysis of Camille Walsh?
 

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