The Professors Million Dollar Backlash

[Pantaz]

Well, get ready for more complaining...

I have instructed RemieV to close The Professor's file, and I have sent him this e-mail:

Based on your recent posts on several forums, I'm am closing your application permanently. You have repeatedly demonstrated that you have not acted in good faith, and we will not waste our time with you.

Jeff Wagg
JREF

19th August 2008: First statement that Mr. Koenig had actually mailed in the MDC application.
26th September 2008: Testable claim finally submitted to, and accepted by, Jeff Wagg.
26th November 2008: Application closed.

One thousand five hundred thirty eight posts, with nothing resembling a workable protocol. I think that's a record for a Challenge thread!

Time for my own prediction: David Koenig (aka, The Professor/Slim King/Psychic Samurai) will now engage in a long diatribe (not necessarily on this forum) of how unfairly he was treated, and how this is proof that the Million Dollar Challenge is a scam.

Oh, wait... somebody already made that prediction...

...snip...
My prediction- protocols for this challenge will never be agreed upon. The Professor will continue to make his claims about the challenge (such as the two quoted above) and try to get some publicity by claiming that Randi ran from him, or that Randi cheated, or the test is rigged.

My opinion. The Professor isn't stupid- he's read the rules and he knows that it's highly unlikely that this challenge will be accepted and virtually no chance at all that everyone will reach an agreement on protocols. He's doing it so he can use the result in future publicity and claims on future radio shows.
...snip...

I also expect Jim Callahan's website will have a new page on this whole affair. There is a strong likelihood that he will post a YouTube video of same.

 

[Azrael 5]

Well one of TP's supporters has already pointed the finger of blame here.Unlike Magic Cafe, threads and posts(in the main)here don't get deleted.
The record of Koneig's beligirence is indelible.

 

[Jackalgirl]

Well, this should be exciting for Dave. Now that his file's been closed, he's free to make up all kinds of new lies about what's happened here. It must have been frustrating (and boring!) to have to try to think up new ones about the protocol.

Yes, I'm frustrated too. I have spent a considerable amount of time trying to help, and watching other people trying to help, only to see my words taken out of context and used to insult other people in a manner in which they were not intended to be used.

If his ultimate goal was to be refused by JREF -- why? I don't know; maybe so that he can start making new lies about his supposed powers and fearsomeness? -- well, he got his wish. I wonder: does he still have writers? Are we any closer to knowing who they are? What will he pay them to write about this newest wrinkle, I wonder?

 

[Chris H]

Wow...that didn't take long at all...

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=285361&forum=251&start=90
On 2008-11-26 20:44, Psychic Samurai wrote:
You can plainly see the reason that Jeff Wagg is so worried now.

He is caught lying at least three more times in this email and there are MANY more to come

He booted me since the light was shining into the dark recesses of his lies.

CHECK IT OUT !!!!!!!!

eff Wagg, James Randi Educational Foundation to me
show details Nov 25 (2 days ago)

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You seem to think that I've been in communication with someone about your involvement with the Lake Helen Police department. I have not, nor do I know anyone involved. I only know what someone told me was on the forum. If what they say is true, then you have been lying. If they're lying, shame on them. In either case, it has nothing to do with the JREF. If you want to avoid this type of behavior, I suggest you stop posting on the Internet.

As for the phone calls, challenge applicants are instructed to only communicate through the challenge coordinator, which is usually Alison. You have been told this. The fact that you repeatedly call the JREF is a problem. We have a structure set up that you are trying to subvert, and we won't allow it. Do not call the JREF again.

Saying that you've been acting in good faith is not the same as actually doing it. You have ignored direct questions and instructions, you imply on the forum that we're in constant communication, which we're not, and even when I said it was impossible to do a test on Halloween, you pretended as though we were going to anyway. It seems that everything you're doing is a publicity stunt.

I do wonder how you can claim I'm "pushing" when I haven't written to you since October. I'm not pushing at all. If you want to take the challenge, follow the simple steps that so many others have done before you. If you don't, please stop wasting our time.


Jeff Wagg
JREF
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David Koenig to jeff
show details Nov 25 (2 days ago)

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Jeff

You have said previously that I was to contact YOU and NOT Alison with my JREF MDC Protocol.
Which is it? I'm guessing it is you. Am I wrong?

I have never said that the JREF would to be testing me this last Halloween. Where's that found?

I did run my own tests but that was without the JREF. You'd posted that you could not get a group together in a limited time and I never contradicted your post to that effect. You plainly said you wouldn't be there and I've never said you would be.

You say I am ignoring your direct questions? Which ones?

So let me get this straight just to be sure.

In order to continue in the JREF MDC I must quit posting on the internet and never call the JREF? Correct?

I want to make sure that I am in compliance with your criteria here. I will check our correspondence to see what I've missed. Which questions I've missed.

I have worked very hard to keep from getting swept under the carpet with my challenge. I will continue to do so.

I will try to be compliant with these new stipulations considering the internet and the telephone if I can, but it will be difficult. I'm not sure removing these two forms of communication is the right or fair thing to do.

You are "Pushing" by sending these threatening emails saying things like this is your last "chance" or whatever.

Others on another forum (Also a members of the JREF forum) have reported for a week or more that you've already booted me from the Challenge. Where do they get these ideas?

I am completing the instructions just as I always have. Dotting the "i"'s and crossing the "t"'s.

You have quoted a lot of second or third hand information in your last two emails. I'd like to see a little proof of these things and who exactly is saying them to you. Some real proof from a real source.

I am honestly wanting to take the challenge and I've been working hard towards that end. I feel I've come a long way with a legitimate claim. The field of EVP and ITC is growing rapidly each and every day. New discoveries are being made and new methods of recording being developed. Just this last week two new methods were published.

I have been honest in my attempt to take the JREF MDC and I've invest a great deal of Time, Money , and Effort.

Just seems like you are listening to anonymous sources on the internet with no factual truth.

Hope this isn't the case.

And lastly, you claim this is all a publicity stunt?

Please show me one single press release or public publicity stunt that I've performed. Any Live or Radio performances in the last two months where I've been seeking publicity and slamming the JREF?

I have been acting in good faith.

I have performed numerous times in October and November for thousands of people and have had the opportunity to criticize the JREF MDC many times but I HAVE NOT. No publicity stunt! No big Publicity Slam at the Devil's Chair as Forum members predicted either. No press releases ... Nothing!

And as for your last statement .... I AM following in the steps much as others before me (Application, Media Presence, Academic, and Claim) but please remember ... None of them ever made it to the end, so doing exactly as they did leads to failure. I'm not planning on failing. So I am being even more cautious in developing the protocol.

Thanks for your time answering these emails and I will continue to keep you posted as the Protocol develops. It is not an easy thing and I do not believe anyone has ever succeeded in doing it in the field of EVP or ITC. I am still honestly trying.

Thanks Again
David Koenig
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These are even more obvious then his last lemail of lies

MORE JEFF WAGG LIES TO COME

 

[Chris H]

David Koenig's Challenge Application Closed

For those that haven't seen it, the JREF has officially terminated Mr David Koenig's (The Professor Slim King/Psychic Samurai) Million Dollar Challenge application. No doubt there will be an enormous backlash from Koenig and his supporters. Many people (myself included) originally predicted that Mr Koenig's original intention was to have his challenge file closed so he could cry foul. He made it no secret that he disliked Randi and the JREF years prior to his application, and I expect that we haven't heard the last of The Professor.

So, if the mods will allow it, here is the thread for that backlash. I have a feeling that most of the accusations and criticisms will be made elsewhere (such as The Magic Cafe), but I think the JREF should know what's being said. I'm starting with this...

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=285361&forum=251&115&start=90#24
On 2008-11-26 20:56, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
Dave:

Gather up all of your materials on this.

We can put together BANNED, MY TRIALS AT THE MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE
I'm sure we can find a publisher for it, especially since names will name themselves...

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=285361&forum=251&115&start=90#24
On 2008-11-26 21:00, Psychic Samurai wrote:
Seems like a lot of folks here have been bragging about their involvement.

Sounds like a great idea Tony.

How would I go about it?

Chris

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

How on Earth can anyone be tested if they:

• can't tell JREF what they are going to do
• can't keep their story straight about their abilities
• can't say when they are going to do it and/or keep their story straight
• can't say where they will do it and/or keep their story straight?

 

[Drudgewire]

We can put together BANNED, MY TRIALS AT THE MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE
I'm sure we can find a publisher for it, especially since names will name themselves...

If he does as good a job of pitching it as he did explaining what his challenge was going to be I expect publishers to think it'll be a book about fondue recipes and dancing cows.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Unless there is a clear case of slander, libel or a full-fledged smear campaign, TP should be ignored. He blew his chance(s).

Undoubtedly, he will whine until the cows come home. His behaviour is well documented in his dozens and dozens of posts, for anyone to see.

Next.

 

[not daSkeptic]

Unless there is a clear case of slander, libel or a full-fledged smear campaign, TP should be ignored. He blew his chance(s).

I agree. Like Callahan, TP makes a lot of noise but never actually does anything significant. Ignore him. Should he ever manage to accomplish something with merit, hooray. If not ... well ... sucks to be him, I guess.

 

[rjh01]

Worse for the professor most of his threads are deleted from magic cafe. He gets very little support there. He will have to go somewhere where they never heard of him before. Then he will have to demonstrate some PR skills which he has failed to demonstrate up to now.

Not sure that ignoring him is the right idea. Give him one or two posts in total for any one post he makes. In other words if someone else has given a good reply to his post then ignore him.

 

[rjh01]

Yes, but how support will he get? Not from anyone that has been reading his posts in either forum.

Edit. Just read more of that thread that was quoted above and you will see what I mean.

 

[Mojo]

Worse for the professor most of his threads are deleted from magic cafe.

I was under the impression that they were being deleted when they became too embarrassing for him.

 

[Jackalgirl]

No doubt there will be an enormous backlash from Koenig and his supporters.

I think that Dave would like to think that he's capable of creating "an enormous backlash". I'm sure it would delight him if he thought that anyone was intimidated by what he might say. It would mean that he is important in the realm in which JREF works and moves.

This is, I think, why he got onto the new tangent of whining about how Randi makes exceptions for other people, and was trying to demand that he be given the same exceptions, and how galled he was that neither the JREF nor Randi seemed to think that he was important enough.

Well, I've got news: he's not important. He has very little, if any, effect on the larger societal belief (or non-belief) in the paranormal. He is no Sylvia Browne, who commands a large following of people because she knows how to manipulate people's need to believe. I think that even Sylvia's followers would think of him as a nut-job, to be frank. He's not worth any amount of effort on the part of JREF, not when there are so many other popular (and well-known) people out there having an actual (negative) effect on people and people's lives. He's just a stage magician.

And he's certainly not important enough for me to care (for what that's worth). It's slightly amusing to see what lies he's coming up with next on other Fora, but he's all flash and no pan. The only reaction he'll get out of the JREF is a lawsuit if he goes so far as to slander -- and even then, I'm not sure they'll bother, because he's not important and I doubt his lies and bluster and slander will have that much of an effect.

 

[Azrael 5]

I feel sorry for his team of writers,in these hard financial times,to be unemployed so quickly now.
Then again with the work they actually achieved,they should have been sacked anyway!

 

[Azrael 5]

Careful quoting full texts Chris,don't forget Steve Brooks(Magic Cafe owner)supercedes existing copyright laws!!! No quoting Magic Cafe posts

 

[rjh01]

I was under the impression that they were being deleted when they became too embarrassing for him.

You are probably right. At least there he did have some support there, at least at first. Those threads would be even more embarrassing for them. Now those threads are all gone. I just wonder if they will delete the rest of the threads?

It means though that anyone searching for anything on the claim has to come here. They find that the members giving the professor heaps of rope and the professor hanging himself again and again. Almost like a stupid comedy show.

 

[Cuddles]

Please bear in mind that the Million Dollar Challenge section is for discussing the million dollar challenge. Since The Professor's application has now been rejected, discussion about him and his complaints is no longer appropriate for that section. Please keep such discussion in threads like this and do not start or derail multiple threads in the MDC section.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cuddles

 

[gdnp]

Gather up all of your materials on this.

We can put together BANNED, MY TRIALS AT THE MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE
I'm sure we can find a publisher for it, especially since names will name themselves...

The professor can't even put together a protocol, and now he's going to write a book? I think we'll see Chinese Democracy II, or genuine Chinese democracy, before that happens.

 

[remirol]

This is, I think, why he got onto the new tangent of whining about how Randi makes exceptions for other people, and was trying to demand that he be given the same exceptions, and how galled he was that neither the JREF nor Randi seemed to think that he was important enough.

In the end, this is really what it comes down to. A two-bit charlatan amateurishly using fifty-year-old pressure tactics to try to trick people who (to use a semi-obscure colloquialism) may well _have_ taught his grandmother to suck eggs. His claim got far more attention than it ever deserved, and now it's dead where it belongs, and he can go back to his obscurity.

Fortunately the threads _are_ preserved here for future reference, so anyone wishing to explain it to someone who didn't know need only link his protocol thread, rather than waste any more time.

That said, it's Thanksgiving. Yay!

 

[Senex]

This will clearly be one of the most bizarre footnotes in the history of the MDC annals. The MDC is for people who have a reputation for being able to perform some feat that defeats the laws of physics and it provides motivation for them to prove it under test conditions. As far as I can tell this rascal has no history of performing whatever undefined ability he states he has.

If his goal was to create posts that are all about him, I guess he succeeded. However, anyone who is familiar with this site knows that many posters here have unlimited energy to encourage/mock others into undergoing a test condition. Until I posted this I bet I could have stirred up controversy by saying I have some ability and then screwed with the MDC process as long as possible stating I wasn't being dealt with in good faith. That's not something to be proud about. That's being an ass.